Comments Thread For: Briggs: Vitali is Better Than Lennox Lewis, George Foreman

[Dave Rado]

And this explains Vitalis cherry picking throughout his career how excactly? Whats Vitalis excuse for not fighting a single ranked contender until he fought Lennox Lewis again?

That's also a lie. He didn't fight many highly ranked contenders before he got his first title shot, but nor did Lewis, nor do most fighters. But to say he didn't fight any is an outright lie, and once he got his first title shot, he fought nothing but top 10 fighters for his next 7 fights, which is a far higher ratio of consecutive top 10 fighters than most title holders fight.

Youre the one lying here to defend you idols ****ty record.

You're being pathetic. Vitali is no more my idol than you are my idol. I've had more red Ks from Klitschko fans than from everyone else combined. Haters like you and nuthuggers like Tunney are two sides of the same coin - you're both as bad as each other. Tunney thinks I hate the Klitshkos because I often criticise them, and haters like you think I idolise them because I don't hate them, don't go along with your lies about their record, and am enough of a boxing fan to appreciate their skills. And I haven't said a single thing in this thread which I can't prove to be true.

I never said Walker was a credible opponent idiot,I said he had more credibility as a challenger than briggs.My comment has everything to do with briggs not deserving his opportunity rather than Walker deserving his.

Nevertheless it's the most ******ed thing I've ever read on boxingscene. Walker is the least deserving boxer you could possibly have picked, and if Vitali had fought him you would have been even more down on him. At least Briggs was world class once, is still a big name and a decent draw, still has a huge punch and a great chin, and was coming off three first round KOs, admittedly against bums. To say that Walker is more deserving just makes you look incredibly ******.

[Dave Rado]

Vitali doesnt want to fight Solis because Solis,as fat as he is still has a working pulse.

You're basing that statement on the fact that Vitali offered Solis a fight this year and Solis said he wasn't ready, right? Solis will be Vitali's mandatory if he beats Austin in December and then he and Vitali will fight. In the meantime the only reason they haven't fought already is that Solis turned the fight down because he said he wasn't ready. As has been pointed out to you three times already.

Kirk Johnson was no longer rated by the time Vitali fought him.

That's also untrue. Johnson lost his top 10 ranking after he fought Vitali. He was supposed to fight Lewis but pulled out through injury at the last moment, and was Lewis's mandatory at that time. So Vitali fought Lewis as Johnson's substitute, and then fought Johnson. Johnson lost his top 10 ranking after losing to Vitali.

[hugh grant]

Vitali beat sanders though who beat Wlad. So vitali punishes people who bully his brother.

[Dan Vida]

That's also a lie. He didn't fight many highly ranked contenders before he got his first title shot, but nor did Lewis, nor do most fighters. But to say he didn't fight any is an outright lie, and once he got his first title shot, he fought nothing but top 10 fighters for his next 7 fights, which is a far higher ratio of consecutive top 10 fighters than most title holders fight.

I cant find the ring ratings for 1991,but Lewis's wins over Gary Mason and Tyrell Biggs easily trump any win that Vitali had in the first two years of his career.It took Vitali six years to actually beat a heavyweight ranked in the top ten.Lewis destroyed the highly regarded Donavan Razor Ruddock.


Lennox Lewis was the first heavyweight ranked in the top ten that Vitali actually fought.Chris byrd didnt become a top ten ranked heavyweight(again) until he beat Vitali.

You're being pathetic. Vitali is no more my idol than you are my idol. I've had more red Ks from Klitschko fans than from everyone else combined. Haters like you and nuthuggers like Tunney are two sides of the same coin - you're both as bad as each other. Tunney thinks I hate the Klitshkos because I often criticise them, and haters like you think I idolise them because I don't hate them, don't go along with your lies about their record, and am enough of a boxing fan to appreciate their skills. And I haven't said a single thing in this thread which I can't prove to be true.

Youre attempting to defend Vitalis appalling record and him fighting a completely shot,inactive shannon briggs for christ sake.I dont like Wlad but if you see,Ive not actually mentioned him in this thread.Wlad has actually fought ranked contenders for a long time.

Nevertheless it's the most ******ed thing I've ever read on boxingscene. Walker is the least deserving boxer you could possibly have picked, and if Vitali had fought him you would have been even more down on him. At least Briggs was world class once, is still a big name and a decent draw, still has a huge punch and a great chin, and was coming off three first round KOs, admittedly against bums. To say that Walker is more deserving just makes you look incredibly ******.

briggs was barely world class once(years ago),is not a big name and is not a decent draw.Walker was no less deserving than briggs,nor was the last two guys he lost to.None of them were deserving.No doubt you'd attempt to defend Vitali if he did fight Walker,just like youre defending Vitali fighting briggs.

[Dave Rado]

I cant find the ring ratings for 1991,but Lewis's wins over Gary Mason and Tyrell Biggs easily trump any win that Vitali had in the first two years of his career.

Julius Francis and Herbie Hide were roughly equivalent to Mason and Biggs. It took him nearly three years to get to Hide, but that's not so unusual. It took Andre Ward five years to get to Miranda, his first opponent on that level. Do you hate Ward?

It took Vitali six years to actually beat a heavyweight ranked in the top ten. Lewis destroyed the highly regarded Donavan Razor Ruddock.

What matters is that once he got a title shot he fought nothing but top 10 opponents for a long time, which most title holders don't do.

You're attempting to defend Vitali's appalling record and him fighting a completely shot,inactive shannon briggs

His record since his fight with Lewis is far from being appalling and no objective person would take your claim seriously.

Briggs is a joke fight but was far more justifiable as a stay busy fight than Walker would have been. To claim that Walker would have been a better one is just totally ******. There were no good choices of opponent available to him at the time and he wanted to stay busy. Commercially, Briggs made sense.

briggs was barely world class once(years ago),is not a big name and is not a decent draw.

14 million watched the fight in Germany. They would not have watched Vitali fight Walker in those numbers. The fight had a lot of worldwide press coverage, including headlining in the ringtv.com and getting several major write-ups in boxingscene. That would not have been the case if he'd fought Walker.

Briggs is a draw because he was once a world class (admittedly borderline), is a former lineal champion, still has a huge punch and a great chin, and is good at trash talking. And Briggs would certainly knock Walker out, even now.

Walker was no less deserving than briggs,nor was the last two guys he lost to.None of them were deserving.No doubt you'd attempt to defend Vitali if he did fight Walker,just like youre defending Vitali fighting briggs.

That's just a ******ed, idiotic thing to say.

[Dan Vida]

Julius Francis and Herbie Hide were roughly equivalent to Mason and Biggs. It took him nearly three years to get to Hide, but that's not so unusual. It took Andre Ward five years to get to Miranda, his first opponent on that level. Do you hate Ward?

No.Just no.biggs and Mason were borderline world class at one point and biggs had just put in a very credible effort against Rid**** bowe.Francis was a domestic bum and Hide,while a decent win is nothing more than that.A weak champion who wasnt a real heavyweight and had a glass jaw.


Nobody is calling Andre Ward an ATG,so no.

What matters is that once he got a title shot he fought nothing but top 10 opponents for a long time, which most title holders don't do.


His record since his fight with Lewis is far from being appalling and no objective person would take your claim seriously.

His record overall is appalling.Danny Williams,Shannon briggs and Sosnowski arent anywhere near world class.They were bums that Vitali picked out for an easy fight.

Briggs is a joke fight but was far more justifiable as a stay busy fight than Walker would have been. To claim that Walker would have been a better one is just totally ******. There were no good choices of opponent available to him at the time and he wanted to stay busy. Commercially, Briggs made sense.



14 million watched the fight in Germany. They would not have watched Vitali fight Walker in those numbers. The fight had a lot of worldwide coverage. That would not have been the case if he'd fought Walker.

Briggs is a draw because he was once a world class (admittedly borderline), is a former lineal champion, still has a huge punch and a great chin, and is good at trash talking. And Briggs would certainly knock Walker out, even now.



That's just a ******ed, idiotic thing to say.

And yet you're still trying to justify this mismatch.I used Walker as a clear hyperbole.Briggs is completely shot and has fought just a few rounds in the last three years.This is the third bum fight Vitali has fought in a row.He can be excused for a mandatory against Johnson,ut he chose Sosnowski and a washed up briggs as easy fights.


They could have brought over any loud mouthed fighter from the States and the germans would have watched.His fight with Kevin Johnson almost drew 12 million viewers and what the hell had he ever done besides open his mouth?

[Ravens Fan]

Briggs is a decade past his prime and has barely been active in the last three years.He got a gift decision over an ancient George foreman while he was still in his prime,he scored a fluke ko over Liakhovich over 4 years ago.Vitali doesnt want to fight Solis because Solis,as fat as he is still has a working pulse.


That list is from 2002 you ******.Kirk Johnson was no longer rated by the time Vitali fought him.

I am a ******? Have you been talking to my ex-wife? The confusion is that on Boxrec they have the year at the top and than state that the ranking came from a 2003 issue of The Ring. But, that does not change the fact that Vitali fought, and you admitted, seven Ring top ten opponents. And by looking at the same Boxrec Ring ranking, the fact is Lewis fought ten top ten Ring fighters and he fought two of them twice. And even you can do the math. And your *****ing and moaning about Vitali but how many of Lennox's opponent were washed up and passed their prime? I know of at least two of them and they happen to be two of the biggest names on his resume. And since you stated earlier that you do not have the 1991 Ring ranking I assume you are looking at the same ones. I also have a question. Were Rahman and McCall ranked in Ring's top ten before they knocked out Lewis?

[Pin Galarga]

Young Foreman was way more exciting than the Klits will ever be. He terrorised the division when all the greats were close or at pick.
HE was also the victim of the best fight Ali had in his carrier, but He also lifted Frazier from the mat with a hook, something the Klits can 't do.

Briggs can't talk about young Foreman because He was in dippers or not even born then.

Lewis is debatable.

[Dave Rado]

Nobody is calling Andre Ward an ATG,so no.

Vitali doesn't have an ATG resume, he just has ATG talent. He is very unlikely to be considered an ATG, because of his resume, although he'll certainly get in the Hall of Fame - but in a fantasy match-up he'd almost certainly have given any Heavyweight in history a tough fight. Ward may well be considered an ATG eventually, given his exceptional talent and ring intelligence, and if he is, the fact he took 5 years to step up to good competition won't count against him with any boxing historians, as long as he fights top competition from now on. Your counting it against Vitali is just silly. His last two fights have been against poor competition, but his run from the Lewis fight onwards is very good overall, and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

His record overall is appalling.Danny Williams,Shannon briggs and Sosnowski arent anywhere near world class.They were bums that Vitali picked out for an easy fight.

His record is not appalling and you're being as ridiculous by saying so as the nuthuggers are being when they say he's the GOAT.

Williams was a legitimate opponent after beating Tyson, bum or not; Sosnowski was a terrible choice of opponent, I've never defended that one, but since his return from retirement it was his first bad choice - and even then, it was no worse in isolation than Ali fighting Richard Dunn (although Ali had a vastly superior resume overall, obviously). But Briggs is just a money-making choice in a keep-busy fight, at a time when most of the top contenders are either outright ducking him or saying they are not ready, a fact that you refuse to take into account, which makes your bias truly ridiculous. The real story about the Briggs fight is the fact that Valuev, Haye, Solis, Boystov and Adamek all turned him down.

And yet you're still trying to justify this mismatch.

I never said it was a good choice, but it was an understandable one in the circumstances - and a far better choice than Travis Walker would have been. Sosnowski was a much worse choice. Even today's Briggs would beat Sosnowski. And Briggs would certainly beat Audley as well. But you refuse to acknowledge that there were no good choices available to Vitali and that the fault for that lies squarely with the top so-called contenders, not with Vitali. And your refusal to acknowledge that fact makes you look ridiculous.

As does your refusal to acknowledge that for all his failings, credibility-wise, Briggs is still a far bigger name than the other journeymen who were available for him to fight at the time. You only have to look at the massive coverage the fight and its aftermath have had from boxingscene and ringtv.com journalists to see that.

[Hitman932]

Vitali doesn't have an ATG resume, he just has ATG talent. He is very unlikely to be considered an ATG, because of his resume, although he'll certainly get in the Hall of Fame - but in a fantasy match-up he'd almost certainly have given any Heavyweight in history a tough fight. Ward may well be considered an ATG eventually, given his exceptional talent and ring intelligence, and if he is, the fact he took 5 years to step up to good competition won't count against him with any boxing historians, as long as he fights top competition from now on. Your counting it against Vitali is just silly. His last two fights have been against poor competition, but his run from the Lewis fight onwards is very good overall, and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.



His record is not appalling and you're being as ridiculous by saying so as the nuthuggers are being when they say he's the GOAT.

Williams was a legitimate opponent after beating Tyson, bum or not; Sosnowski was a terrible choice of opponent, I've never defended that one, but since his return from retirement it was his first bad choice - and even then, it was no worse in isolation than Ali fighting Richard Dunn (although Ali had a vastly superior resume overall, obviously). But Briggs is just a money-making choice in a keep-busy fight, at a time when most of the top contenders are either outright ducking him or saying they are not ready, a fact that you refuse to take into account, which makes your bias truly ridiculous. The real story about the Briggs fight is the fact that Valuev, Haye, Solis, Boystov and Adamek all turned him down.



I never said it was a good choice, but it was an understandable one in the circumstances - and a far better choice than Travis Walker would have been. Sosnowski was a much worse choice. Even today's Briggs would beat Sosnowski. And Briggs would certainly beat Audley as well. But you refuse to acknowledge that there were no good choices available to Vitali and that the fault for that lies squarely with the top so-called contenders, not with Vitali. And your refusal to acknowledge that fact makes you look ridiculous.

As does your refusal to acknowledge that for all his failings, credibility-wise, Briggs is still a far bigger name than the other journeymen who were available for him to fight at the time. You only have to look at the massive coverage the fight and its aftermath have had from boxingscene and ringtv.com journalists to see that.

I can't believe you wasted that much breath on this idiot. I read his last 8 posts and I wouldn't have bothered to enlighten him. He's obviously a troll and will stay red as long as he is a member.

I always get a kick out of people who go out of there way to denounce Vitali's resume.

You could easily make the argument that Lewis's resume is **** if you are determined to skew the facts..

For instance, Vitali has never taken a step back in his career, when coming back from a loss he has fought 22-0 Timo Hoffman and 34-1 Kirk Johnson. He never wasted his prime with a series of fights like Phil Jackson, Lionel Butler and Justin Fortune.

You could also point out that both of Lewis' title reigns began with him winning a Vacant Title. Whereas Klitschko defeated the reigning champion in his 1st and 3rd reigns and only fought for the Vacant Title in his 2nd reign because Lewis retired instead of fighting him.

Compare the level of Vitali Klitschko's opposition over the past few years with any stretch of Larry Holmes tital reign and Klitschko clearly has fought a higher caliber of fighter.

****, Holmes stooped so low he fought Marvis Frazier when he was Champion and couldn't even get the fight sanctioned.

That's not different than if Vitali decided to forego a title defense to fight Kimbo Slice.

All in all anyone with any sense can see the analysis of Vitali's resume and ability that you put forth is pretty much spot on, sadly most people have no sense when it comes to the Klitschkos.... fanboys and critics alike.. as you said.