Judging by todays standards Floyd's win over Baldomir is totally legit.

[Alex_Hayden]

Baldomir may have been easy pickings,I agree with that!!Now take a look at 154,where does Margarito fit in,where does Pacman??You absolutely can't be called the best if U don't fight the best,news flash,Margarito isn't the best at 154,U said it urself about fighting the best,now how does that sound now??

I completely agree. Imo Floyd and Pacquiao are cut from the same cloth in this regard. Neither of them are really interested in the Mega-fights/Fight of the decades. Those types of bouts that are CAN'T MISS bouts. It's all calculated cherry picking. It's weak and pointless as hell right now in boxing.

[MARKBNLV]

I can't tell if ur for real or being sarcastic,but people should see the hypocracy of ****ting on Floyd all the while defending Pacman when he is doing the same thing!!2 title fights above 140 & they're both at catchweights & 1 is against a cheater who has no merit whatsoever at 154!!

Totally real good post man.

[Bushbaby]

I know what you are saying ...... you are saying that Floyd could have fought Mr X no matter how good he is because he somehow managed to get a title. Even though Mr X is a bum fighter, it's OK because Floyd was going for a title. Right?

Yes, if Floyd only cared about the title, no problem ...... but WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BALDOMIR!!!

With Margo, I said it before, it wasn't even Manny's #1 pick as he wanted to fight Floyd. For Floyd, BALDOMIR was his #1 pick since he DIDN'T want to fight Margo back then.

So Manny's second option was to fight for a title at LM where he NEVER fought before. Contrary to what you believed (right or wrong), they didn't think Cotto would have been marketable since Manny beat him recently.

Unlike what you are saying, even Manny fans are not all gongho about Manny vs Margo but it was still a marginably acceptable 2nd option since again Floyd was on vacation. There is no adoring of this fight, as you put it.

Margo is a cheater as was Floyd's last opponent, Mosley ........ but unlike what you just said, Margo also has something to bring to the table that Baldo didn't have. That is, Margo will make an interesting fight. We will have 2 guys who are considered warriors and Margo has A CHANCE TO WIN THE FIGHT! I will want to watch this fight for many reasons.

You said in another thread that Margo has a chance of defeating Manny. Can you say that about Baldo beating Floyd? No, so your comment has nothing really to do with the fighter named Baldomir!!!

U are wrong,what I'm saying is Baldomir was the easiest way for Floyd to be on top of the welterweight division,but at the very least Baldomir was a welterweight & earned whatever he had by beating Judah!!Margarito hasn't earned anything at 154,much less anything deserving of a fight against the pfp king & fighter of the decade!!But if it's ok for Pacman Margarito for the 154 pound title,then it was ok for Floyd to fight a legit,lineal welterweight champion!!People are ****ting on Floyd,but not on Manny,Manny is doing exactly what Floyd has done except 2 of Manny's title fights above 140 are indeed at catchweights & this 1 is for a vacant title against a cheater in a division where neither have any merit!!Floyd beat a proper champion,pacman is attemting to fight a cheater at a catchweight for a vacant title all the while claiming to be an 8 division champ if he does,this fight is garbage,Manny shouldn't be called a champ at 154 for weasling his way through the back door against a cheater & have it be accepted while Floyd beat a proper fighter to take his title at a real weightclass & has been bashed for it!!

[FloydTBE]

he was lineal champ at 147lbs

[TRAV1$]

Never said the Baldomir win was deserving of praise,I said if Pacman Margarito is ok,then so is Baldomir Floyd!!Margarito brings status & ticket sales,ohh yeah!!Pacman sold the Clottey fight all by himself!!What status exactly does Margarito bring??Last I checked he got caught in the act of cheating,then beaten from ringpost to ringpost,then was suspended for trying to hurt Mosley by cheating!!Then came back
& beat some random guy,so what status do U speak of??

You've spent this whole thread giving reasons why the Baldo fight meant more and how Floyd should be getting more respect/praise

Baldomir was a champion,he had belts,he actually beat a champion to earn the Champion title!!

At least Baldomir was a lineal titlist at 147 when Floyd breezed by him!!

The point of the tread is that when Floyd beat Baldomir he beat a real & true lineal titlist,but he gets flak for the win!!

Yes we understand that you think Pac fan's shouldn't give Floyd abuse for taking the easy way to a title, fine
But you've also been talking about how you think the Margarito/Pac fight is pointless, when it isn't... and if you can't think of any reason for Pac to face him, I don't know what to say.

[TRAV1$]

Floyd beat a proper fighter to take his title at a real weightclass & has been bashed for it!!

Also

He get's bashed for it because Baldomir is shit
True 147 fighter, true champion... whatever
At the time the fight had meaning, fine... nobody's saying it shouldn't have happened
But he fought a shit fighter and won his title, that's how it's REMEMBERED

Pac is facing a former 147 fighter, at LMW for a title
Margarito came back at 154, the fight was sanctioned
It may not be as credible as fighting Martinez, but you think Pac cares?
When people look back at his fights, they will see he fought Margarito, who was once a real force in boxing and a familiar name... at 151, which is new territory for Pac and a disadvantage

Whatever you say and however you feel, Pac WILL get credit for beating Margarito because he's a better fighter than Baldomir and has a size and weight advantage

But people will also argue that he didn't really beat a 154 champion, or belt contender... sure
Pac will always have that now, but he'll ALSO have Margarito on his resume
You can guarantee magazines, websites and talk in the future will be of him as a 8 division champion

Just get over it.

[Bushbaby]

Also

He get's bashed for it because Baldomir is shit
True 147 fighter, true champion... whatever
At the time the fight had meaning, fine... nobody's saying it shouldn't have happened
But he fought a shit fighter and won his title, that's how it's REMEMBERED

Pac is facing a former 147 fighter, at LMW for a title
Margarito came back at 154, the fight was sanctioned
It may not be as credible as fighting Martinez, but you think Pac cares?
When people look back at his fights, they will see he fought Margarito, who was once a real force in boxing and a familiar name... at 151, which is new territory for Pac and a disadvantage

Whatever you say and however you feel, Pac WILL get credit for beating Margarito because he's a better fighter than Baldomir and has a size and weight advantage

But people will also argue that he didn't really beat a 154 champion, or belt contender... sure
Pac will always have that now, but he'll ALSO have Margarito on his resume
You can guarantee magazines, websites and talk in the future will be of him as a 8 division champion

Just get over it.

If Pacman gets credit for Margarito,bashing Floyd over Baldomir is hypocritical,period!!

[ts33]

If Pacman gets credit for Margarito,bashing Floyd over Baldomir is hypocritical,period!!

Not really - size aside for minute - margarito has a great resume (was WW champ, has wins over cotto/martinez/cintron - all major 154lb players). If Pac fought Cotto again people would say it doesnt mean anything either because he already beat him down. And Pac can't fight Martinez/Pwill yet, because he's new into the division

Baldomir beat 1 guy in his career - Judah. The same judah that also got his ass whooped everytime he faced someone half decent who could go past 4 rounds - e.g. Cotto/Mayweather/Clottey/Tszyu/Spinks

[devildg]

Floyd champ at 130 lbs- not an original weight division
135- YES
140- NOT an original weight division
147- YES
154- NOT an original weight division

nuff said...

[TRAV1$]

If Pacman gets credit for Margarito,bashing Floyd over Baldomir is hypocritical,period!!

Different circumstances
They are hardly similar.