I think Wlad Hits Harder Than Prime Tyson...

[nomadman]

Ruiz, Rahman, and Maskaev are less than impressive fighters...And Ruiz and Rahman are just jokes...But the way Tua got rid of them was just ughhh, he decapitates people. That video I posted of Tua training, the guy is utterly devastating. He heavily resembles Mike Tyson, but with much more power and better late round activity.

Shavers has the testimonies of every fighter he ever fought, including the testimonies of boxing know-hows like that biased old ******* Bert Sugar and Mike Tyson.

Tua was a much better puncher than Shavers though, look at how many shots he can land on a fighters chin, how fast he can do it, even when the fighter is defending...Shavers can land one shot at a time.

I would place Tua below Foreman, but above Tyson, Ruddock, Morrison and what not in raw power...But its hard to place him in terms of skill, maybe above Tyson as a puncher?

Nice to see someone give Tua his just credit. I'm perfectly happy if anyone wants to rank any other fighter above him in punch power, provided they can produce a solid argument to do so, but to just straight dismiss him or laugh in the face of comparisons with Shavers, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, Baer et al simply pisses me off. Tua could **** with the best of them and certainly deserves to be ranked with past punching greats.

As for being a better puncher than Shavers, he certainly possessed better speed, technique and accuracy that Shavers, and I also think more raw power. However, he always had the intensely frustrating habit of just switching off in fights, letting an opponent tee off on his giant Samoan skull whilst plodding around bobbing his head ineffectually from side to side. Shavers on the other hand always went for the KO, and frequently got it. His killer instinct was switched on from the word go. He has Tua beat in that regard.

Tyson was better than both, in my opinion, if not in raw power than in the sheer devastation he wreaked with his incredible offence.

[Forza]

lmao @ ruiz, rahman and moorer being good competition. Tua's left hook was hard hitting. i'll give you that. But he was still nothing special.

Morrison nearly decapitated ruddocks head but I still don't rank him that hard on the punchers list.

Punch for punch shavers would crumple tua. Foreman would do the same.

[boxingking500]

im getting sick of americans and klitschko- haters are saying the division is weak.. just because wlad and vitali are ******* there guys up..

its pathetic

[americanbot]

I've already said that I think Tyson's best chance is landing a counter shot as he's coming in. Once Wlad gets the clinch on you, your work is smothered. Tyson could certainly land a big one if he times it right.



It's difficult to say if Wlad still panics when a fighter puts pressure on him, since no one's effectively been able to do so for about five years. Still, the Wlad of today strikes me as a much calmer and more confident fighter than the Wlad of the past. He took some pretty big shots from both Brewster and Peter in the rematches and looked totally unfazed by them. Tyson is a different proposition of course. But the idea that all you need to do to beat Wlad is put pressure on him is, I think, a simplistic and increasingly erroneous one.

wlad does still panic. the same weaknesses that he had in the past are still there today....it's not about pressuring wlad. no no no. this is where people get confused....it's about getting by wlads JAB. forget all of that other mess. get by wlads JAB & you have a great chance of breaking him down. wlad hasn't fought anyone close to sanders in years let alone a prime tyson lol


dwyer breaks down EXACTLY what i have always thought about wlad. all too perfect....

he even goes on to say why a prime tyson would run through wlad.

a educated pressure fighter who bobs & weaves wlads jab away from him will start to land on him & eventually break him down. wlad doesn't know what to do when his jab is taken away & he's being hit flush. he easily falls mentally.

[nomadman]

No he was not very dedicated Like Tyson his prime was short lived...Guy is still fighting though, I think Wlad could take him, a good jab wins a fight against Tua, just gotta run from him. Even when he fought Lewis he just wasn't the same beast, don't know if that was Tua or Lewis' awesome skills.

Tua's problem was always lack of height and an inability to get past a good jab. His footwork and head movement were simply too slow to do so. Let him get you on the inside though and you were toast.

BTW Lennox beat Tua by being far and away the more skilled fighter who knew exactly what to do with a limited predictable fighter like Tua. If they fought ten times, Lennox would have won all ten in much the same fashion.

[nomadman]

Punch for punch shavers would crumple tua. Foreman would do the same.

Based on what fight?

[XionComrade]

Nice to see someone give Tua his just credit. I'm perfectly happy if anyone wants to rank any other fighter above him in punch power, provided they can produce a solid argument to do so, but to just straight dismiss him or laugh in the face of comparisons with Shavers, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, Baer et al simply pisses me off. Tua could **** with the best of them and certainly deserves to be ranked with past punching greats.

As for being a better puncher than Shavers, he certainly possessed better speed, technique and accuracy that Shavers, and I also think more raw power. However, he always had the intensely frustrating habit of just switching off in fights, letting an opponent tee off on his giant Samoan skull whilst plodding around bobbing his head ineffectually from side to side. Shavers on the other hand always went for the KO, and frequently got it. His killer instinct was switched on from the word go. He has Tua beat in that regard.

Tyson was better than both, in my opinion, if not in raw power than in the sheer devastation he wreaked with his incredible offence.

I think Tua dealt alot more damage than Tyson, he hit harder and still had the devastating combination punching. Both had Iron chins, Tua did better in the late rounds. Tyson may not have dealt the damage, but the guy could seriously box and was a good defensive fighter, something I always felt Tua lacked in comparison.

Shavers was really something in his fight with Lyle, I think that was his best showing. Problem is that Shavers was not accurate, lacked stamina beyond the 4th round, and had a dodgy chin. Shavers could punch extremely fast but it wasn't in big combinations. The Foreman that fought Lyle, if Lye was replaced with the Shavers that fought Lyle I think Earnie would have a good chance, one punch would end it from either end.

Who would write off Tua with Marciano? lol, I never liked Marciano personally...

I need video of Earnie on the bag, the discovery channel has a P4P documentary that features the footage, Shavers hits a 150lbs bag so hard it goes at a 90 degree angle, and tears another bags seams with his punch. he is the Paul Anderson of power punching apparently

[Forza]

Based on what fight?

What fight do you base tua being even in the same league as foreman or shavers?

Ruiz? Rahman? LMAO

Did you not see what foreman did to frazier, one of the best HW's of all time?

How about shavers K.Oing ken norton?

[have_not]

I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.

Note that Rahman told in an interview on hbo that after his win over lewis he tought he could just go out and KOTF out lewis again. Against wladimir he was in survival mode from round 1 not throwing many punches and mostly covering up. Wlad played it safe.. But if we should go after your logic we can look at wladimirs fight with Ray Mercer, wlad was the first to stop him and had him down already in the first round. Ray was on a 7 win streak since his MD loss to lennox when they meet. Something lewis, holyfield, morrison, holmes and many more couldnt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLDy88Ud5bA

And talking about Foreman, he boxed a doubtful MD against ironchin Axel schulz who had never been down in his career. Shortly after this fight, Foreman was stripped by the IBF for refusing to give Schulz a rematch.
Later Wlad fights him for vacant EBU (European) heavyweight title and destroys schulz and the first to stop him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGTygdrNHo

[XionComrade]

Tua's problem was always lack of height and an inability to get past a good jab. His footwork and head movement were simply too slow to do so. Let him get you on the inside though and you were toast.

BTW Lennox beat Tua by being far and away the more skilled fighter who knew exactly what to do with a limited predictable fighter like Tua. If they fought ten times, Lennox would have won all ten in much the same fashion.

Exactly, Styles make fights. A Boxer with a good jab just isn't it for Tua. Now a fight with Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, or Marciano...Hell even Big George...ffff...Holyfield, Shavers...All would be legendary fights

Lol at Shavers crumpling Tua, Tua had a Iron chin, I think Shavers could KTFO anyone with a good shot, Holmes said Shavers hit him to hard to knock him out. But Earnie tires so fast, all he has to do is run from Earnie for a few rounds and its over. I see a fight much like the Quarry - Shavers fight, just better.

Foreman in his prime, I do think would eventually crush Tua, 8th round TKO. The foreman that fought Lyle would probably lose though, just not active enough to make up a good defense.