I think Wlad Hits Harder Than Prime Tyson...

[j-rod]

You're just trying to incite the crowd. Absolutely ridiculous. Let's have Vlad take a shot from Mike in his prime and vice versa.

[nomadman]

lol @ tua hitting harder than shavers. Tua's knock outs looked good...........against bums. He was just another tommy morrison. Slightly above average power for a heavy weight.

Ali fought shavers, foreman and liston. 3 massive punchers. Ali said on RECORD shavers hit BY FAR the hardest. Just because shavers lacked "cool" looking knockouts does not mean he didn't punch hard.

Moorer was a bum? Prime Ruiz was a bum? Prime Rahman and Maskaev were bums? Tua possessed significantly better power than "simply above average". His punches turned fighters into dribbling simpletons and raving demon-haunted maniacs. He could turn fights around that he was well on the way to losing with a single left hook. There is not a single fight in which Tua knocked a fighter down and didn't finish them soon after. He possesses two of the most sickening knockouts in heavyweight history in Moorer and Ruiz. What does Shavers have that compares to that? Tua's power was legendary, and deserves to be treated as such.

as far as tysons punching power, like I said before it's weaker than wlads. There were middleweights that hit harder than tyson.

Like who exactly?

[nomadman]

You're just trying to incite the crowd. Absolutely ridiculous. Let's have Vlad take a shot from Mike in his prime and vice versa.

Tha's taking into account the strength of their chins, and I don't anyone would favour Wlad in that category.

[JayDee2700]

Personally I feel Tyson would beat Wlad in about 4 rounds or less, y? cause speed kills Tyson has the speed, foot speed, hand speed, and reflexes to end Wlad in 3. Wlad's jabs n st8 rights would not even come close to hittn Tyson, I think once Wlad gets a counter hook to the lower body from him slippn that jab or str8 right he'll probably think twice about thrown it or atleast not throw it with confidence, n which after that its over Tyson just gonna TKO him with a massive body shot.

[americanbot]

Tyson never fought anyone like Wlad, but then Wlad never fought anyone like Tyson. I rate both fighters very highly which is why I consider this a pickem fight. Still, I don't think many people realize just what a potent "weapon" Wlad's clinch is. He's like a limpet, draping himself all over you, stifling your work, leaning down on you and taking the energy from your legs. In Tyson's case this would be disasterous, since so much of his power and movement comes from his legs. I can easily see Wlad smothering Tyson's initial onslaught, waiting for him to tire, then strafing him with jabs and right hands till Tyson either quits or mentally gives up (more or less the same thing). Similarly, I can also see Tyson landing a big overhand right on Wlad's jaw, stunning him, then following up with a series of hooks, uppercuts and overhands until Wlad is laid out on the canvas. One thing though, Wlad would not stand in front of a prime Tyson. He doesn't really stand in front of his opponents in general. Rather, he maintains a certain distance from which he can get maximum leverage on his punches whilst ensuring his opponent can't get close enough to land a meaningful shot. It's his opponents who stand in front of him, generally in the hope that they can slip or dodge a Wlad jab and counter with something of their own, a tactic which has so far proved futile, though Tyson more than anyone else would be able to carry it off.

& i don't think many people realize what type of upper cut wlad would recive if he did that against a young tyson LOOOOOOL


the thing is. standing in front of wlad is the wrong move. he'll jab you to death. most fighters of today aren't built like the educated pressure fighters such as your tysons & your fraizers. a educated good pressure fighter beats wlad in my opinion.....A guy that has good stamina & can keep his hands moving (while weaving wlads jab) walks down wlad in my opinion. wlad is uncomfortable when a guy gets passed his jab & starts letting loose on him. he just slowly breaks down.

chambers doesn't have any of the tools to do this. in fact i considered the chambers fight a GREAT mis match styles wise. chambers doesn't even have the 1st tool which is power.

[XionComrade]

Moorer was a bum? Prime Ruiz was a bum? Prime Rahman and Maskaev were bums? Tua possessed significantly better power than "simply above average". His punches turned fighters into dribbling simpletons and raving demon-haunted maniacs. He could turn fights around that he was well on the way to losing with a single left hook. There is not a single fight in which Tua knocked a fighter down and didn't finish them soon after. He possesses two of the most sickening knockouts in heavyweight history in Moorer and Ruiz. What does Shavers have that compares to that? Tua's power was legendary, and deserves to be treated as such.



Like who exactly?

Ruiz, Rahman, and Maskaev are less than impressive fighters...And Ruiz and Rahman are just jokes...But the way Tua got rid of them was just ughhh, he decapitates people. That video I posted of Tua training, the guy is utterly devastating. He heavily resembles Mike Tyson, but with much more power and better late round activity.

Shavers has the testimonies of every fighter he ever fought, including the testimonies of boxing know-hows like that biased old ******* Bert Sugar and Mike Tyson.

Tua was a much better puncher than Shavers though, look at how many shots he can land on a fighters chin, how fast he can do it, even when the fighter is defending...Shavers can land one shot at a time.

I would place Tua below Foreman, but above Tyson, Ruddock, Morrison and what not in raw power...But its hard to place him in terms of skill, maybe above Tyson as a puncher?

[nomadman]

& i don't think many people realize what type of upper cut wlad would recive if he did that against a young tyson LOOOOOOL

I've already said that I think Tyson's best chance is landing a counter shot as he's coming in. Once Wlad gets the clinch on you, your work is smothered. Tyson could certainly land a big one if he times it right.

the thing is. standing in front of wlad is the wrong move. he'll jab you to death. most fighters of today aren't built like the educated pressure fighters such as your tysons & your fraizers. a educated good pressure fighter beats wlad in my opinion.....A guy that has good stamina & can keep his hands moving (while weaving wlads jab) walks down wlad in my opinion. wlad is uncomfortable when a guy gets passed his jab & starts letting loose on him. he just slowly breaks down.

chambers doesn't have any of the tools to do this. in fact i considered the chambers fight a GREAT mis match styles wise. chambers doesn't even have the 1st tool which is power.

It's difficult to say if Wlad still panics when a fighter puts pressure on him, since no one's effectively been able to do so for about five years. Still, the Wlad of today strikes me as a much calmer and more confident fighter than the Wlad of the past. He took some pretty big shots from both Brewster and Peter in the rematches and looked totally unfazed by them. Tyson is a different proposition of course. But the idea that all you need to do to beat Wlad is put pressure on him is, I think, a simplistic and increasingly erroneous one.

[americanbot]

Ruiz, Rahman, and Maskaev are less than impressive fighters...And Ruiz and Rahman are just jokes...But the way Tua got rid of them was just ughhh, he decapitates people. That video I posted of Tua training, the guy is utterly devastating. He heavily resembles Mike Tyson, but with much more power and better late round activity.

Shavers has the testimonies of every fighter he ever fought, including the testimonies of boxing know-hows like that biased old ******* Bert Sugar and Mike Tyson.

Tua was a much better puncher than Shavers though, look at how many shots he can land on a fighters chin, how fast he can do it, even when the fighter is defending...Shavers can land one shot at a time.

I would place Tua below Foreman, but above Tyson, Ruddock, Morrison and what not in raw power...But its hard to place him in terms of skill, maybe above Tyson as a puncher?

prime tua was a beast I'll give you that. but he never was the same after the 90s....

[XionComrade]

I've already said that I think Tyson's best chance is landing a counter shot as he's coming in. Once Wlad gets the clinch on you, your work is smothered. Tyson could certainly land a big one if he times it right.



It's difficult to say if Wlad still panics when a fighter puts pressure on him, since no one's effectively been able to do so for about five years. Still, the Wlad of today strikes me as a much calmer and more confident fighter than the Wlad of the past. He took some pretty big shots from both Brewster and Peter in the rematches and looked totally unfazed by them. Tyson is a different proposition of course. But the idea that all you need to do to beat Wlad is put pressure on him is, I think, a simplistic and increasingly erroneous one.

Tucker was able to make a fool out of Tyson just by sticking and moving, that is what Wlad will have to do, just stay away. Use the jab, and clinch...like boneclincher. Wlad has good power, better than Tucker anyway. The biggest question is what happens when Tyson catches him coming forward or just before Wlad can clinch, that is the real question. The Tyson uppercut, the body attack. Tyson vs. Super Tucker

[XionComrade]

prime tua was a beast I'll give you that. but he never was the same after the 90s....

No he was not very dedicated Like Tyson his prime was short lived...Guy is still fighting though, I think Wlad could take him, a good jab wins a fight against Tua, just gotta run from him. Even when he fought Lewis he just wasn't the same beast, don't know if that was Tua or Lewis' awesome skills.