Help!!! I'm Starting To Think Margarito Has A Shot!

[Dynamite Kid]

Williams didn't move on him though, he just kept up the average of 100+ punches per round and was throwing volleys from a 6'3 frame and an 82 inch wingspan.

He didn't know how to go about getting going offensively against something he's never seen before.

I don't think he fights as small as you guys are leading on. He barely bends his knees even for uppercuts.

The key to the IMO will be body punching. Margo does not neglect the body and will be in range to get his in a few times. If Pacquiao does not slow down Margarito by going to the body a lot (like he did to Clottey), he will have a very rough time down the stretch of the fight, a very rough stretch.

I'm out and not going to be able to reply anymore, but we'll keep this going later.

I think what is with the, Marg does not fight tall, its not that he bends loads, its that he leans his head into his gloves rather than keeps his gloves up, which does make it easier to land jabs and right hands on him.

[Silencers]

Hey Silencer, i also thought that Williams had a lot of success because he threw so many punches, he kept Margarito playing defense which ties in with my opinion, that Margarito does not punch with the opponent very often, if at all.

Of course the workrate was part of it, Pacquiao might not throw 100 punches a round against Margarito but I think 70 to 80 would do the job, especially since he will most likely put more on his shots that Williams did, Williams was just pecking and poking and stepping to the side. Pacquiao is a better puncher on the move and I personally think he's just naturally more heavy handed than Williams with one shot.

I kind of disagree that Margarito doesn't punch with his opponents, he doesn't punch with his opponents if the opponents keep him turning, if you stand in front of him, he will punch with you. Although maybe he won't now because the questions about his chin might be playing in his own head. And plus, trading with Pacquiao has never benefited anyone, unless you have great timing like Marquez and even then, Marquez tried not to punch with Pacquiao.

[Dynamite Kid]

Don't get me wrong, I think the fight will be a very good fight, just a moderately one sided very good fight.



Williams was always stepping to the side after he threw his shots, he never remained a stationary target for Margarito to get his punches off.

Is Pacquiao something he's seen before? I doubt it, the closest thing might be a very green Martinez.

I don't mean he fights small, he uses his size quite well, it's just the way he positions his head, his head is rarely tucked and he leads with it. And he crouches over, crouching over doesn't mean fighting small.

As I said, I don't think Margarito will be able to dig in his body shots like he did against Cotto because I doubt he'll be able to corner Pacquiao or get him on the ropes unless he runs at him like Morales did to Pacquiao and that's a doubt edged sword because he's liable to run right into something.

And even before the Clottey fight, I felt Pacquiao was a good body puncher, deceptive. Because you see his flashy punches go to the head but in the midst of those combinations, there's almost always a punch to the body that the opponent doesn't expect. And Pacquiao likes to throw a one two and throw a body shot when he slides out so that he doesn't get caught by a counter.

Yeah, what Williams did, was what Randall did to Chavez imo, he threw lots of punches which kept the opponent on the D, although Chavez was probably better than Marg at finding a transition to offense when on the D, but both Randall and Williams, whilst throwing so many punches, kept moving, stepping over all the time.

[Silencers]

Yeah, what Williams did, was what Randall did to Chavez imo, he threw lots of punches which kept the opponent on the D, although Chavez was probably better than Marg at finding a transition to offense when on the D, but both Randall and Williams, whilst throwing so many punches, kept moving, stepping over all the time.

It was something similar. Chavez was definitely better at transitioning from defense to offense, he was much better at cutting the ring off at his best too which helped against guys who tried to move on him.

[Dynamite Kid]

Of course the workrate was part of it, Pacquiao might not throw 100 punches a round against Margarito but I think 70 to 80 would do the job, especially since he will most likely put more on his shots that Williams did, Williams was just pecking and poking and stepping to the side. Pacquiao is a better puncher on the move and I personally think he's just naturally more heavy handed than Williams with one shot.

I kind of disagree that Margarito doesn't punch with his opponents, he doesn't punch with his opponents if the opponents keep him turning, if you stand in front of him, he will punch with you. Although maybe he won't now because the questions about his chin might be playing in his own head. And plus, trading with Pacquiao has never benefited anyone, unless you have great timing like Marquez and even then, Marquez tried not to punch with Pacquiao.

Yeah i dont dont think Pac will need to work that hard with his hands in this fight, i think the movement will compensate for that to a degree.

Yeah thats kinda what i meant, he will take one to give one when he has you pinned against the ropes, but if you come at him and throw combo's when he is in the centre of the ring, he generally wont be able to answer to call.

[Dynamite Kid]

It was something similar. Chavez was definitely better at transitioning from defense to offense, he was much better at cutting the ring off at his best too which helped against guys who tried to move on him.

Like Lonnie Smith? Lol

Yeah, Chavez really was like Pacman the way he eat up the ring on opponents, the best fighter ive seen at cutting the ring down, stuck to you like glue even when you pivoted away from him.

[Silencers]

Like Lonnie Smith? Lol

Yeah, Chavez really was like Pacman the way he eat up the ring on opponents, the best fighter ive seen at cutting the ring down, stuck to you like glue even when you pivoted away from him.

lol.

He was very good at getting under opponents shots then finding the openings for the body shots before his opponents could get away, it wore them down over time. So even if guys managed to move on him, they paid a price.

[Dynamite Kid]

lol.

He was very good at getting under opponents shots then finding the openings for the body shots before his opponents could get away, it wore them down over time. So even if guys managed to move on him, they paid a price.

You know i just checked out a clip of Clottey vs Margarito, it seems Margarito is a little better at punching with the opponent than i first thought, although it did not seem like that against Williams from what i remember, although there seems to be a considerable difference between the volleys of punches a Williams throws, compared to a Clottey, then again, that might be as you said, that Williams moved, Clottey did not, which ties into what you said about Marg not being able to do it when someone moves on him, which is precisely what Pac will do, not to mention he will also, from time to time, put his hands together like what Williams did, only Pac is probably even faster than Williams.

[Silencers]

You know i just checked out a clip of Clottey vs Margarito, it seems Margarito is a little better at punching with the opponent than i first thought, although it did not seem like that against Williams from what i remember, although there seems to be a considerable difference between the volleys of punches a Williams throws, compared to a Clottey, then again, that might be as you said, that Williams moved, Clottey did not, which ties into what you said about Marg not being able to do it when someone moves on him, which is precisely what Pac will do, not to mention he will also, from time to time, put his hands together like what Williams did, only Pac is probably even faster than Williams.

Yeah, Margarito will punch with his opponents if his opponents stands in front of him. He won't when he has to reset. It's a problem a lot of high workrate aggressive fighters have when they fight guys who can move on them and can present them with angles, it makes them think and reset and that neutralizes a lot of the workrate. And without the workrate, those guys became quite ordinary. Margarito falls into the same category IMO.

Pacquiao is definitely faster than Williams, not many people in the sport pound for pound is faster than Pacquiao.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah, Margarito will punch with his opponents if his opponents stands in front of him. He won't when he has to reset. It's a problem a lot of high workrate aggressive fighters have when they fight guys who can move on them and can present them with angles, it makes them think and reset and that neutralizes a lot of the workrate. And without the workrate, those guys became quite ordinary. Margarito falls into the same category IMO.

Pacquiao is definitely faster than Williams, not many people in the sport pound for pound is faster than Pacquiao.

100% agree.

Whats strange to me, is that Williams did not move a lot, which would of made you think, theoretically anyway, that Margarito might! of been able to catch him on the turn once or twice.

I mean Williams was using those tight little turns from what i remember, which is still in range to a degree, although granted, a littler safe when you have stepped of the line.