24 hr. RE-HYDRATION RULE makes CRITICISM of CATCHWEIGHT fights ILLEGITIMATE

[bartolomewj]

Very Good Post. Logical, of course a bit biased.............LOL

[| THE KING |]

makes sense.. good post.

[PacquiaoATG]

Green K for the TS.

[Gutz]

Thread fail.

Floyd also comes from a small weight class.

Yet failed to make the catch weight of 144 vs JMM

[p4p-champ]

because of the 24 rehydration rule.

lmao fail son, fail.

[Spacey1991]

For a fighter starting at 106lbs, a former flyweight champion, now fighting welterweights, it makes it all the more impressive the fact that the 24 hour rehydration rule means that on fight night, pac (who is not even a welterweight) is fighting junior middleweights & middleweights.

How much can we really hold it against him the 145lb catchweight & proposed 150lb catchweight vs cotto & margarito when the 24 rehydration stunt in today's era is in effect?

How do we analyze the 24 re hydration rule in historical context?

Old time fighters never had to deal with it. But in regards to pacquiao, who in 3 welterweight fights cant even make 147, how can we really criticize him when on fight night he's not even facing welterweights?

When henry armstrong fought welterweights, he fought welterweights on fight night. when pacquiao fights welterweights, he fights junior middleweights & middleweights on fight nights.

The 24 hr rehydration rule in today's era must be taken into consideration. It completely negates all the criticisms of catchweight fights.

The catchweight criticism is a inaccurate, unsubstantiated, superficial disadvantage/advantage because of the 24 rehydration rule.

UPDATED POST IN REGARDS TO PWILL VS MARTINEZ CATCH WEIGHT REQUEST:9-15-10

anybody who criticizes catchweight fights as a way to discredit a fighter are ignorant, pretentious, & ****** hacks pretending to be physicians & medical researchers with vast amounts of medical data to support the ill effects of catchweights.

In fact, almost all evidence point to catchweights or "weight drained" excuse as being flaccid placebos.

winner of martinez vs paul williams gets full credit. catchweight has absolutley ZERO effect on the outcome of the fight just like in pac vs cotto, sweet pea vs chavez, oscar vs hopkins, & almost all the other catchweight fights the cry baby b*tches want to talk about.

24 rehydration completely removes any advantages or disadvantages of catchweights.

the reason why fighters ask for them is the false sense of security or edge they THINK THEY GET from it.

catcweights = placebos.


Pernell Whitaker had a catch weight vs Chavez Sr., how come he totally dominated Chavez Sr.? How come his performance wasnt affected?

Bernard Hopkins had a catch weight vs Oscar, how come Hopkins performance wasnt affected?

You wanna know why?

because catch weight = placebos. They are nothing more than a mental advantage than a physical advantage.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Size & weight dont win fights, fighters win fights.

DLH vs Manny wasn't at a catchweight I know, but this is an example that could happen in a catchweight fight. DLH had never fought at 147 for a long time, when he tried to make 147 it seemed he put a lot of strain on his body so he didn't rehydrate properly the next day (he was 147 on fight night), because he didn't rehydrate properly he couldn't be as strong at the weight.

If you set up a fight at the catchweight, and they can only just make the limit of a certain weight class, the same thing can happen obviously. Its okay you saying the 24 hour time makes it okay and gives them plenty of time and makes no difference, fair enough because I dont think it will make much difference to Marg... but then why did Manny and his team demand a catchweight? If its not gonna make any difference, why make the hassle of going trough with it and have it at the JMW limit? The fact of the matter is, they are fighting for a world title, which isn't at the proper JMW limit, it might not make any difference to Marg... but that doesn't change the fact that it seems they are trying to take something away from him.

[Spacey1991]

For a fighter starting at 106lbs, a former flyweight champion, now fighting welterweights, it makes it all the more impressive the fact that the 24 hour rehydration rule means that on fight night, pac (who is not even a welterweight) is fighting junior middleweights & middleweights.

How much can we really hold it against him the 145lb catchweight & proposed 150lb catchweight vs cotto & margarito when the 24 rehydration stunt in today's era is in effect?

How do we analyze the 24 re hydration rule in historical context?

Old time fighters never had to deal with it. But in regards to pacquiao, who in 3 welterweight fights cant even make 147, how can we really criticize him when on fight night he's not even facing welterweights?

When henry armstrong fought welterweights, he fought welterweights on fight night. when pacquiao fights welterweights, he fights junior middleweights & middleweights on fight nights.

The 24 hr rehydration rule in today's era must be taken into consideration. It completely negates all the criticisms of catchweight fights.

The catchweight criticism is a inaccurate, unsubstantiated, superficial disadvantage/advantage because of the 24 rehydration rule.

UPDATED POST IN REGARDS TO PWILL VS MARTINEZ CATCH WEIGHT REQUEST:9-15-10

anybody who criticizes catchweight fights as a way to discredit a fighter are ignorant, pretentious, & ****** hacks pretending to be physicians & medical researchers with vast amounts of medical data to support the ill effects of catchweights.

In fact, almost all evidence point to catchweights or "weight drained" excuse as being flaccid placebos.

winner of martinez vs paul williams gets full credit. catchweight has absolutley ZERO effect on the outcome of the fight just like in pac vs cotto, sweet pea vs chavez, oscar vs hopkins, & almost all the other catchweight fights the cry baby b*tches want to talk about.

24 rehydration completely removes any advantages or disadvantages of catchweights.

the reason why fighters ask for them is the false sense of security or edge they THINK THEY GET from it.

catcweights = placebos.


Pernell Whitaker had a catch weight vs Chavez Sr., how come he totally dominated Chavez Sr.? How come his performance wasnt affected?

Bernard Hopkins had a catch weight vs Oscar, how come Hopkins performance wasnt affected?

You wanna know why?

because catch weight = placebos. They are nothing more than a mental advantage than a physical advantage.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Size & weight dont win fights, fighters win fights.

Also, Manny used to outweigh a lot of his opponents on fight night at the lower weight classes, why is it different the other way round?

[wizard king]

this old and the only people saying that catchweights dont matter are
1.morons
2.*******s
3.never boxed or trained
4.have no common sense

[A7glow]

Keep in mind that most fighters who fight at lower weight divisions fight there because that is where the money is. But in regards to catch weight fights, weighing less than your normal weight the day before a major athletic event can very well effect your performance (dropping weight affects you just as gaining weight does, but there are some differences) Dropping three or four pounds may not really have much of an effect on the fight, but it depends upon the fighter and their body. And if you want facts and research to back up what I'm saying...

Dehydration has been shown to:

* reduce blood and plasma volume, this results in a decrease in the amount of blood pumped out by the heart, consequently the heart has to work harder in an attempt to maintain an adequate blood (oxygen) supply to the working muscles (Robergs and Roberts, 1997; Clarkson, 1998)

* decrease testosterone levels (Booth et al., 1993; Viscardi, 1998)

* increase blood lactate accumulation (Wilmore and Costill 1994)

* impair the body's ability to sweat, resulting is an increased risk of overheating. (Armstrong, 1992; ACSM, 1996).

* "Dehydration results in reduced muscle blood flow, waste removal, and heat dissipation, all of which are necessary for sustained, high power muscle action in events such as boxing and judo." (Armstrong, 1992, p.29)

* Taken to the extreme, rapid weight loss when achieved through dehydration can be fatal. Viscardi (1998) identifies that excessive dehydration can harm bodily functions, leading to kidney failure, heat stroke or heart attack, indeed in 1997, within a period of thirty-three days, three young American wrestlers tragically died whilst trying to 'make their weight' (Hickling, 1999).

References:

* American College of Sports Medicine. (1996). "Position stand: Weight loss in wrestlers." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 28. pp.ix-xii.
* Armstrong, L.E. (1992). "Making weight in hot environments." National Strength and Conditioning Journal. 14 (5), pp.29-30.
* Booth, A. Mazur, A.C. and Dabbs, J.M. (1993). "Endogenous testosterone and competition: the effect of fasting." Steroids. 58 (8), pp.348-350.
* Clarkson, P. Manmore, M. Oppliger, B. Steen, S. and Walberg-Rankin, J. (1998), "Methods and strategies for weight loss in athletes: A round table." Gatorade Sports Science Institute. 8 (1), pp.1-9. www.gssiweb.com/references/
* Foster, C. (1995). "The way to go when the weight is the thing!" Scholastic Coach. 65 (3), pp.64-67.
* Hickling, D. (1999), "Wrestling safely with weight loss." Foster's Daily. http://www.fosters.com/sports99/january/10/sp0110a.htm
* Horswill, C.A. Hickner, R.C. Scott, J.R. Costill, D.L. and Gould, D. (1990). "Weight loss, dietary carbohydrate modifications, and high intensity, physical performance." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 22. pp.470-476.
* Robergs, R.A. and Roberts, S.O. (1997). Exercise Physiology: Exercise, Performance, and Clinical Applications. Mosby (London).
* Wilmore, J.H. and Costill, D.L. (1994). Physiology of Sport and Exercise. Human Kinetics (Champaign IL).
* Yankanich, J. Kenney, W.L. Fleck, S.J. and Kraemer, W.J. (1998). "Precompetition weight loss and changes in vascular fluid volume in NCAA Division 1 College Wrestlers." Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. 12 (3), pp.138-145.


Mind you that such rapid dehydration is also followed by a period of re-hydration. However, it is difficult for a fighter to achieve full electrolyte balance over a period of 24-hours. Some use IV drips, others use electrolyte drinks, whatever the case, dehydration does effect the athlete.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Keep in mind that most fighters who fight at lower weight divisions fight there because that is where the money is. But in regards to catch weight fights, weighing less than your normal weight the day before a major athletic event can very well effect your performance (dropping weight affects you just as gaining weight does, but there are some differences) Dropping three or four pounds may not really have much of an effect on the fight, but it depends upon the fighter and their body. And if you want facts and research to back up what I'm saying...

Dehydration has been shown to:

* reduce blood and plasma volume, this results in a decrease in the amount of blood pumped out by the heart, consequently the heart has to work harder in an attempt to maintain an adequate blood (oxygen) supply to the working muscles (Robergs and Roberts, 1997; Clarkson, 1998)

* decrease testosterone levels (Booth et al., 1993; Viscardi, 1998)

* increase blood lactate accumulation (Wilmore and Costill 1994)

* impair the body's ability to sweat, resulting is an increased risk of overheating. (Armstrong, 1992; ACSM, 1996).

* "Dehydration results in reduced muscle blood flow, waste removal, and heat dissipation, all of which are necessary for sustained, high power muscle action in events such as boxing and judo." (Armstrong, 1992, p.29)

* Taken to the extreme, rapid weight loss when achieved through dehydration can be fatal. Viscardi (1998) identifies that excessive dehydration can harm bodily functions, leading to kidney failure, heat stroke or heart attack, indeed in 1997, within a period of thirty-three days, three young American wrestlers tragically died whilst trying to 'make their weight' (Hickling, 1999).

References:

* American College of Sports Medicine. (1996). "Position stand: Weight loss in wrestlers." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 28. pp.ix-xii.
* Armstrong, L.E. (1992). "Making weight in hot environments." National Strength and Conditioning Journal. 14 (5), pp.29-30.
* Booth, A. Mazur, A.C. and Dabbs, J.M. (1993). "Endogenous testosterone and competition: the effect of fasting." Steroids. 58 (8), pp.348-350.
* Clarkson, P. Manmore, M. Oppliger, B. Steen, S. and Walberg-Rankin, J. (1998), "Methods and strategies for weight loss in athletes: A round table." Gatorade Sports Science Institute. 8 (1), pp.1-9. www.gssiweb.com/references/
* Foster, C. (1995). "The way to go when the weight is the thing!" Scholastic Coach. 65 (3), pp.64-67.
* Hickling, D. (1999), "Wrestling safely with weight loss." Foster's Daily. http://www.fosters.com/sports99/january/10/sp0110a.htm
* Horswill, C.A. Hickner, R.C. Scott, J.R. Costill, D.L. and Gould, D. (1990). "Weight loss, dietary carbohydrate modifications, and high intensity, physical performance." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 22. pp.470-476.
* Robergs, R.A. and Roberts, S.O. (1997). Exercise Physiology: Exercise, Performance, and Clinical Applications. Mosby (London).
* Wilmore, J.H. and Costill, D.L. (1994). Physiology of Sport and Exercise. Human Kinetics (Champaign IL).
* Yankanich, J. Kenney, W.L. Fleck, S.J. and Kraemer, W.J. (1998). "Precompetition weight loss and changes in vascular fluid volume in NCAA Division 1 College Wrestlers." Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. 12 (3), pp.138-145.


Mind you that such rapid dehydration is also followed by a period of re-hydration. However, it is difficult for a fighter to achieve full electrolyte balance over a period of 24-hours. Some use IV drips, others use electrolyte drinks, whatever the case, dehydration does effect the athlete.

trying to make weight doesnt always mean you are not drinking fluids. that could mean not eating. You posted all that medical jargon on dehydration yet there is no study out there discussing catcweights in boxing & fighters making weight.

All i know is that most catchweight fights, the weight had ZERO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME OF THE FIGHT.

Chavez Sr. vs Pernell - pernell went down in weight. dominated the fight.

HOpkins vs Oscar - bhop went down in weight. dominated the fight.

terry norris vs meldrick taylor - norris went down in weight. dominated the fight.

mayweather vs marquez - Floyd TRIED to go down in weight, couldnt. dominated the fight.

Ray leonard vs tommy hearns 2. tommy went down in weight, knocked down leonard a couple times to a draw.

You fake ass catchweight rehydration experts want to play doctor but YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE THAT CATCWEIGHTS AFFECT FIGHTS. ZERO STUDIES, ZERO RESEARCH.

All you have is the oscar fight which is ****ing ******ed because oscar would have lost to pac had he weighed in at 154. Not in the same fashion, but he still would have lost.

All this dehydration arm chair expertise you are spewing is bullcrap. You only use the dehydration argument when you want to discredit a fighter.

YOu could say arthur abraham's last couple fights at 160 he was "weight drained." YOu could say the same thing for diego corrales for most of his stints at 130. Or hugo cazares who was rehydrating to 130 when fighting calderon at 108.

I GUESS WE CAN TAKE THOSE WINS OFF CALDERON BECAUSE CAZARES WAS "WEIGHT DRAINED"

GTFO YOU PRETENTIOUS FAKE ASS MOTHER****ERS.

I guess we can take away erik morales win vs pacquiao because pac was "weight drained" in that fight due to pac ballooning to mid 140s on fight night.

Fact of the matter is, making weight is part of the game now due to the 24 rehydration rule. Nonito donaire, paul williams, ricky hatton all are WEIGHT DRAINED when they fight. There are plenty more boxers who take advantage of the 24 rehydration rule & fight in divisions where they are too big. Where's the outcry & discretization of those guys wins & loses?

It only comes into prominence when its pac so you discredit him.

STFU b*tches.