James Toney is OLD, FAT and SHOT

**johnm is...** · 08-24-2010, 11:14 AM

I don't think anyone's trying to say he still "has it". Just that there's a possibility that he could still knock out an MMA fighter, with 4 oz gloves.

**KlownvonnomaD** · 08-24-2010, 11:21 AM

I'm with you, I think Toney has a punches chance at best.
And from what I've seen of UFC (which I'm not gonna lie, isn't that much) the fighters dont tend to stay on their feet throwing punches for all that long.

A terrible idea on Toney's part if you ask me.

**Gorilla Dogs** · 08-24-2010, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by KlownvonnomaD

I'm with you, I think Toney has a punches chance at best.
And from what I've seen of UFC (which I'm not gonna lie, isn't that much) the fighters dont tend to stay on their feet throwing punches for all that long.

A terrible idea on Toney's part if you ask me.

Have you even watched heavyweight fights or light heavy?

Chuck Liddell was the best striker but for some god awful reason guys would sitll **** with him, hell he knocked out Couture. Lots of fights stay on the feet, guys at those weights arent the swiftest on their feet. Randy has been knocked out 5 times and one of them was only 47 seconds into the fight, imagine a REAL striker hittin him now

Randy is 47, Toney is 42. If Toney is shot then what is Couture???

**Steak** · 08-24-2010, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by johnm

I don't think anyone's trying to say he still "has it". Just that there's a possibility that he could still knock out an MMA fighter, with 4 oz gloves.

No one really thinks hes prime anymore, but some people actually think hes still 'skilled'.

The guy is a clubfighter now, and thats being nice.

**Toney616** · 08-24-2010, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by blackirish137

honestly, I thought this was common sense, but some of you are under the delusion that he is actually still good in some way. heres a sad fact: hes not even close.

-James Toney has not had a good 'win' since he was robbed against Sam Peter...4 years ago.
-James Toney has gotten a questionable decision over journeyman Danny Betchelder and obviously lost against Fres Oquendo in his most recent relevant fight.
-His last fight(almost a year ago) he looked terrible agaisnt a bum
-His prime was about 16+ years ago, and 50+ lbs ago
-He is going into a much different sport with only a few months of training in it, when in his own sport HE ISNT EVEN TOP 50 ANYMORE.
-Anyone else notice in recent pictures that Toney's eyes are a little yellow? I have. In case you didnt know, thats a condition called jaundice, which is a liver problem...very often caused by consistant heavy drinking. not something you often see in 'active athletes', eh?
-Prime James Toney was great to see. But he is at his WORST right now, physically and in terms of skill.
-Honestly, I dont need to even bring up these facts, because anyone who has seen his recent training footage 'highlights' can see hes terrible now. Not even his boxing looks very good anymore.

Anyone thinking that he is even a shell of his former self needs a wakeup call, and right away.

Think about it: Toney is not even televised in his own sport anymore, thats how low hes fallen. and yet he just jumped up to the co-main event against a 47 year old on an important card?

Great job being duped, and buying into the BS hype. You bit the bait.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you on this, I do wonder what is keeping him and Jones fighting though

**mushahadeen** · 08-24-2010, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by blackirish137

honestly, I thought this was common sense, but some of you are under the delusion that he is actually still good in some way. heres a sad fact: hes not even close.

-James Toney has not had a good 'win' since he was robbed against Sam Peter...4 years ago.
-James Toney has gotten a questionable decision over journeyman Danny Betchelder and obviously lost against Fres Oquendo in his most recent relevant fight.
-His last fight(almost a year ago) he looked terrible agaisnt a bum
-His prime was about 16+ years ago, and 50+ lbs ago
-He is going into a much different sport with only a few months of training in it, when in his own sport HE ISNT EVEN TOP 50 ANYMORE.
-Anyone else notice in recent pictures that Toney's eyes are a little yellow? I have. In case you didnt know, thats a condition called jaundice, which is a liver problem...very often caused by consistant heavy drinking. not something you often see in 'active athletes', eh?
-Prime James Toney was great to see. But he is at his WORST right now, physically and in terms of skill.
-Honestly, I dont need to even bring up these facts, because anyone who has seen his recent training footage 'highlights' can see hes terrible now. Not even his boxing looks very good anymore.

Anyone thinking that he is even a shell of his former self needs a wakeup call, and right away.

Think about it: Toney is not even televised in his own sport anymore, thats how low hes fallen. and yet he just jumped up to the co-main event against a 47 year old on an important card?

Great job being duped, and buying into the BS hype. You bit the bait.

I hope you paid your electric bill.

**Steak** · 08-24-2010, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Gorilla Dogs

Have you even watched heavyweight fights or light heavy?

Chuck Liddell was the best striker but for some god awful reason guys would sitll **** with him, hell he knocked out Couture. Lots of fights stay on the feet, guys at those weights arent the swiftest on their feet

Randy is 47, Toney is 42. If Toney is shot then what is Couture???

Couture is like Hopkins: he took care of himself all these years, and its paying off now that he can still do the basics and for the most part still compete with the top guys.
Couture has recently only lost to top ten ranked mma guys.

meanwhile Toney is a middleweight who has spent the last four years pigging out and having mediocre performances, and has been losing to journeymen like Danny Betchelder and Fres Oquendo.

**johnm is...** · 08-24-2010, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Gorilla Dogs

Have you even watched heavyweight fights or light heavy?

Chuck Liddell was the best striker but for some god awful reason guys would sitll **** with him, hell he knocked out Couture. Lots of fights stay on the feet, guys at those weights arent the swiftest on their feet. Randy has been knocked out 5 times and one of them was only 47 seconds into the fight, imagine a REAL striker hittin him now

Randy is 47, Toney is 42. If Toney is shot then what is Couture???

So you're basing shot/not shot on...... age?

Couture is like the UFC version of Hopkins. Toney is more like..... Ken Shamrock.

**S.G.** · 08-24-2010, 11:28 AM

I'm just supporting him cos I like him.

James Toney is OLD, FAT and SHOT