Surely Pacquiao is top 10/20 greatest fighters of all time

[jrosales13]

All I'm saying is I have watched all these boxers fight multiple times and I can't put Manny ahead of them. In terms of accomplishments, It's kind of hard to put it all in context. For example, carlos Monzon I didn't list but he had 19 title defenses. Manny, has gone to different divisions but hasn't defended any title from 130 except once vs Clottey. Has Manny fought in that manny title fights period?

The point is it fair to penalize Monzon because god/allah/jehova (whoever you believe in) he could stay at 160 his whole life?

Monzon did not have 19 title defenses.

But, is nothing wrong with putting Monzon ahead of Pac. That is 2 ATG fighters.

And, I am not even questioning putting Floyd or Roy ahead of Pac. Since that might just be a preference or whatever.

But, I cant see how Pryor, Toney, and Nelson can be put ahead of Pac in the ATG status without bias.

[The Big Dunn]

Monzon did not have 19 title defenses.

But, is nothing wrong with putting Monzon ahead of Pac. That is 2 ATG fighters.

And, I am not even questioning putting Floyd or Roy ahead of Pac. Since that might just be a preference or whatever.

But, I cant see how Pryor, Toney, and Nelson can be put ahead of Pac in the ATG status without bias.

How many did he have 20? They are better fighters IMO. They may not have had the oppotunities Pac had, may not have gone through weight classes, but they performed their craft better than Manny IMO>

[jrosales13]

How many did he have 20? They are better fighters IMO. They may not have had the oppotunities Pac had, may not have gone through weight classes, but they performed their craft better than Manny IMO>

Naw, I forgot the exact number but it is like 14 or 15.

What made them better fighters in your opinion?

So you going more of skills than greatness. If you had to rank ATG's would you put them ahead of Pac?

I mean a couple maybe all 3 would not be in some top 100 ATG list. While Pac in more so are in the top 50 ATG list. And, clearly top 100.

[Pacdbest]

you kinda lost me at "ped user or not". the simple fact is he's never been caught or involved with steroids or PEDs.

In what would've been the biggest fight of his career at that point, when he fought Morales 1, he gave a blood sample 2 days before the Morales fight. Of course they had to have tested it for PED's, EPO, HGH, the works, right? Not a hint of cheating was ever found.

He believed giving blood weakened him, fine. He wasn't wearing his Reyes puncher gloves...fine.

What actually made him lose was a huge gash over his eye (from an accidental headbutt) which caused him to dial back his aggression and fight going backwards while avoiding shots. Thus, he lost. He simply couldn't box while backpedaling and lost that fight (he's a pressure fighter).

But from accomplishments alone, Manny surely has achieved greatness. The simple fact is nobody ever gave a thought of him fighting at Welterweight. Then he makes DLH quit, having never weighed-in over 140lbs.

Then he knocked out Ricky Hatton @ 140lbs...someone people thought was too heavy for him.
Then Miguel Cotto....and Manny took the puerto rican's shots as if he were a lightweight. Yeah they fought at 145, but Cotto said it wasn't too difficult to make the weight.

Cotto - "This is the best condition I have ever been. 100% I will be ready for this fight as I have been for all my fights. I feel stronger and faster at this weight,” Pacquiao told David Tyler of ****.com.

“When we took this fight, we decided that we were fine with 145. We knew we could do it and we knew we would be at our best the next night,” he told ****.com.

Again....many experts and historians thought Manny Pacquiao had no business fighting over 140lbs. He only rehydrated to about 146-148...which is a stark contrast to fighters who rehydrate almost 10-15 lbs for a fight.


Point is....Manny Pacquiao....as raw and one-handed as he was...beat guys he had no business even fighting.

Morales and Barrera were on a decline....but they were ELITE fighters. They're living legends. JMM was in his absolute prime and took Pac to school...and he arguably still won, citing a Judge's scoring error.


Anyone who discredits this man is a moron, plain and simple. Manny Pacquiao has achieved greatness. Top 10 or 20, I don't care where u put him, that's for people to argue. But he deserved his FOTD award, and he deserves at least an honorable mention among the top 20 ATG's.

Sorry to say that there's a lot of Morons here!!! Most are Floyd Fans.

[The Big Dunn]

Naw, I forgot the exact number but it is like 14 or 15.

What made them better fighters in your opinion?

So you going more of skills than greatness. If you had to rank ATG's would you put them ahead of Pac?

I mean a couple maybe all 3 would not be in some top 100 ATG list. While Pac in more so are in the top 50 ATG list. And, clearly top 100.

I think you are wrong about Monzon.

I tend not to do ATG lists because its so hard for me to balance the era's. Like I was saying to Copeland. They exhibited more skills both offense and defense than Manny.

Greatness is just too hard to quantify. Like Manny for instance. Most experts rank him ahead of floyd but admit they would pick floyd to win. Or like Roy Jones, who dominated so many fighters so easy that people decided his comp couldn't have been that good.

[Too_Slick]

Top 20??!!, Top 10???!!!. You are just pushing it, hes top 50 "IMHO", do you know how many athletes your rankig him ahead of?? Alot. For him to be top 20 he would of had to have a longer and successful campaign at 135, 140, and yes even 147, still alot of competition there, hes just stackin belts, but i will say this, I rank him over Floyd regardless of the outcome of their fight(if it happens). Its just a Pacquiao high, when he retires we can talk about it more seriously.

[The Big Dunn]

Top 20??!!, Top 10???!!!. You are just pushing it, hes top 50 "IMHO", do you know how many athletes your rankig him ahead of?? Alot. For him to be top 20 he would of had to have a longer and successful campaign at 135, 140, and yes even 147, still alot of competition there, hes just stackin belts, but i will say this, I rank him over Floyd regardless of the outcome of their fight(if it happens). Its just a Pacquiao high, when he retires we can talk about it more seriously.

The lack of title defenses from 130 -147 should be noted. The only title defense made was against Josh Clottey, who was a fighter that deserved a title shot (at that time). Its always harder to defend a title then it is to win.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Hes Top 40-50. Pac fans stop not hugging.

[Sam Donald]

People who dont rank him in their top 20.. who are these fighters you rank ahead of him??

Have u even got a top 20 list or isnt just that uve seen ESPN or Ring Magazines list and diddnt see pacs name on it...?

Who are these fighters u rank in ur top 20 and why??? because u saw it on boxing history section...

[thebowtod]

Hes Top 40-50. Pac fans stop not hugging.

he is number one in the world right now or maybe number 2, you guys are just stuck in the past. he is going to be considered top 20 fighters of all time, and he might even be top 5. What makes this fighters better than him?