Is Ortiz Quitting Worse Than Vazquez Quitting?

[AKATheMack]

Then you should have asked whether its ok for fighters to quit, not which fighter quiting is worse

You were pretty much implying that you thought one quit was worse then the other.

I think hold it against fighters for quiting either, especially when in such situations

I was wondering who the public felt was worse because Vazquez received similar criticism after quitting against Marquez. I actually liked the answers because most give Vazquez a pass based on his heart in other fights instead of the fight with Marquez and that makes it more interesting that people are so willing to write Ortiz off instead of allowing him to prove them wrong. I have a feeling I can make some serious money in the future if the odds on Ortiz fights reflect the opinion of the users on BS.

[AKATheMack]

BAck to topic............vasquez cant be called an ortiz quitter...............his resume speaks for itself...........................like morales, chavez, frazier, arguello.........

So you'd say its premature to call Ortiz a quitter until hes had a chance to redeem himself such as Vazquez had?

[PACnPBFsuck]

BAck to topic............vasquez cant be called an ortiz quitter...............his resume speaks for itself...........................like morales, chavez, frazier, arguello.........

We were off topic?

[yeykax]

Leave Ortiz alone, this guy had a tougher life than any of the guys who insult him. Ortiz quit but he's still a true mexican warrior.

Nah papa In this sport requires heart to the fullest and he quit just as bad as Duran,Golota,and whomever disgraceful mother****er.Talk bout a hard life **** i did 7 years in prison so **** that.Hes a good fighter but remember warriors dont quit and not like that becuz he didnt want to get ko!!!!what a ****ing joke!!

[fdotorres]

Both ultimately lost because they didnt want to be knocked out. Vazquez wouldnt be the first fighter to continue on with a broken nose, so excuse me if I dont see the difference. We know Vazquez is a warrior now, but immediately following that fight his heart was being questioned. I think a young fighter with unlimited potential is very smart for stopping at the point he knew he could no longer win instead of takin unnecessary punishment that could affect his future. Im in no way dogging Vazquez, but he was being called a quitter from the same type of people I now hear call Ortiz a quitter with no future.

vazquez had a nose surgery after that fight. that's how seriously hurt his nose was

ortiz didn't have any surgery after his fight, and he STILL hesitates in his fights. he could still fight maidana, but he was mentally damaged. vazquez wasn't

[Heru]

Its not the same imo.

Vazquez had already proven his mettle by that point and for him to quit like he did only proved that Rafa did serious damage to his nose.

I don't think anyone held that against him because of his history of Warriorness.

Ortiz on the other hand had no history of toughness to fall back on, he failed his first test at the hands of the most Dangerous Man at 140.

Marcos "El Chino" Maidana.

No racist.

Not true, I know some ****heads on here must've questioned it and Vazquez himself was ridiculed by Mexicans, which put the chip on his shoulder where he felt he had to prove his mettle for the remaining fights.

Vazquez' nose was broken prior to when he quit, he fought a couple rounds with the broken nose before he decided to comeback another day.

If you wanted to prove Ortiz could still come back, Duran would've been a better comparison for quitting... Then again, Duran had already established himself as 1 of the best lightweights ever and #1 P4P for years before it.

Ortiz is unique in his case, but he can still comeback, just keep him away from iron chinned fighters. Kid looked uncomfortable as **** in the last rounds against Campbell. He might not be all there yet.

[Danny Gunz]

Ortiz' quit wasnt as bad as people make it out to be.

He was getting pummelled and there was nothing he could do about it. He went down had a bad cut and bruised up face what would the point be to continue just to get beat more?

[warp1432]

Vazquez nose was broken and he couldn't breathe. Ortiz still had a shot at winning the fight.

Anyone who says Vazquez doesn't have heart has not followed his career at all. Ortiz still looks like he doesn't have it even in his recent fights.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Is Ortiz Quitting Worse Than Vazquez Quitting?

What were you saying before about making shit threads?



Frankie Espinoza Sr.,

"What he (Dr. Robert Kottler of Beverly Hills) found out is that Israel had 90 percent blockage due to the cartilage in one nostril, and 100 percent on the other. So you only have an overall 10 percent breathing capacity. With that sort of limited breathing capacity, he said, 'I don't know how Israel made it to the seventh round.'

All that we have to do, he said, is to clear out the cartilage, and he can go back in six months and fight again. He said, 'Because God gave you a nose to breath with, and not with your mouth, and I don't know how he was able to breath that way for so long.'"




Vazquez nose was broken in the 2nd, BTW. He doesn't in any way deserve to be mentioned in a thread about quitters.

[SugarRayCurtain]

Victor was taking flush shot after flush shot from P4P one of the hardest punchers in the world
Its in his best interest to stop things before its too late, dude can get brain damage from an opponent like that
Ortiz will be a great champ