Is Ortiz Quitting Worse Than Vazquez Quitting?

[Dick Buffman]

Not true, I know some ****heads on here must've questioned it and Vazquez himself was ridiculed by Mexicans, which put the chip on his shoulder where he felt he had to prove his mettle for the remaining fights.

Vazquez' nose was broken prior to when he quit, he fought a couple rounds with the broken nose before he decided to comeback another day.

If you wanted to prove Ortiz could still come back, Duran would've been a better comparison for quitting... Then again, Duran had already established himself as 1 of the best lightweights ever and #1 P4P for years before it.

Ortiz is unique in his case, but he can still comeback, just keep him away from iron chinned fighters. Kid looked uncomfortable as **** in the last rounds against Campbell. He might not be all there yet.

They must have missed his gutsy performance against Jhonny Gonzalez.

[AKATheMack]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...azquez+quitter

That was actually the thread that made me make this thread. I think Vazquez is a true warrior it just seems like he got the same treatment for quitting as Ortiz did.

Its apparent your reading comprehension is lacking a little Rage so I'll break it down for you. I dont think Vazquez is a quitter, but he received criticism for being a quitter so i wanted to see what the public perception was. And as for your quote about his nose being broke I'll show you what happens when fighters continue to take punishment and it means much more than an article about a broken nose.

[fdotorres]

What were you saying before about making shit threads?



Frankie Espinoza Sr.,

"What he (Dr. Robert Kottler of Beverly Hills) found out is that Israel had 90 percent blockage due to the cartilage in one nostril, and 100 percent on the other. So you only have an overall 10 percent breathing capacity. With that sort of limited breathing capacity, he said, 'I don't know how Israel made it to the seventh round.'

All that we have to do, he said, is to clear out the cartilage, and he can go back in six months and fight again. He said, 'Because God gave you a nose to breath with, and not with your mouth, and I don't know how he was able to breath that way for so long.'"




Vazquez nose was broken in the 2nd, BTW. He doesn't in any way deserve to be mentioned in a thread about quitters.

exactly. put vazquez's nose injury on ortiz and he wouldn't last half a round

[713832281]

come on man. izzy couldnt breathe. victor quit cuz maidana was hitting him back. huge difference.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Its apparent your reading comprehension is lacking a little Rage so I'll break it down for you. I dont think Vazquez is a quitter, but he received criticism for being a quitter so i wanted to see what the public perception was. And as for your quote about his nose being broke I'll show you what happens when fighters continue to take punishment and it means much more than an article about a broken nose.

That's my favorite boxer all-time (well, he and Pryor pass it around), I donate to his Foundation, I don't need to be shown what happened to him...how is that germane to the severity of Vazquez' broken nose? (look at the very irregular swelling up between his eyes at the top of his nose if you want a hint at the unusual extremity of the injury)


I'd be surprised if you couldn't work out for yourself which retirement "the public" (or the boxingscene public) would deem worse.


I don't care. Call me belligerent on this. Vazquez doesn't belong in any thread with the word "quit".

[AKATheMack]

That's my favorite boxer all-time (well, he and Pryor pass it around), I donate to his Foundation, I don't need to be shown what happened to him...how is that germane to the severity of Vazquez' broken nose? (look at the very irregular swelling up between his eyes at the top of his nose if you want a hint at the unusual extremity of the injury)


I'd be surprised if you couldn't work out for yourself which retirement "the public" (or the boxingscene public) would deem worse.


I don't care. Call me belligerent on this. Vazquez doesn't belong in any thread with the word "quit".

Read the link genius. I made this thread in response to Vazquez being called a quitter not to call him one myself. Also if you'd read the comments in this thread Vazquez gets a pass more from his other fights where hes shown heart not because of his broken nose so maybe your assumptions on what the public feels should be reevaluated. Since GMan is your favorite how can you say quitting over a broken nose is more acceptable than quitting to avoid damage like GMan took?

[STRUGG]

So you'd say its premature to call Ortiz a quitter until hes had a chance to redeem himself such as Vazquez had?

naaaaaahh...............you got it the other way around...............you prove yourself first..........................

[istmeno]

the injury made vasquez UNABLE to continue. chino actually fighting back made ortiz UNWILLING to continue

[oaklandstephen]

ortiz was extemly worst..showed absolutly no heart and his post fight interview made it worse

ortiz doesnt even remember sayin that post fight interview. when he got back to the locker room he thought he had been ko'd in the first round so the other 4 rounds he fought, he was on auto pilot. so he actually did show heart in this fight.

[oaklandstephen]

most people on this forum arent even qualified to talk **** because they never stepped in the ring in there life. if u fight then u can talk ****, if u dont fight go eat some m&m's somewhere.