Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions?

[street bully]

None of the fights were robberies if you ask me. I had Williams winnign 115-113, I had Collazo Berto a draw or a win for Collazo, and I had Alexander vs Kotelnik a draw as well.

[Shadows]

I thought Martinez-Williams and Berto-Collazo were close, though they had some ****ty scorecards.

I thought Kotelnik won clearly though, I found it hard to give Alexander rounds when he was getting hit so cleanly, despite his work rate.

[Dynamite Kid]

martinez wasnt hurt, the replay clearly showed that. ur right about williams getting busier though but he was missing a lot of punches. martinez won at least 6 rounds clearly from what panda saw and another round or two he looked to land the more effective blows so panda gave him one of the rounds.

Well its been a while since i saw it, all i remember is that both went down, neither were badly hurt so i dont think it was a particularly big issue. Looking at my scorecard, which i saved, it seems i had Martinez winning rounds 2,3, 8,10,11, although i always make a point of HL which rounds were close/debatable, and i made a note that out of those rounds, round 8 was very close.

kotelnik wasnt dictating the fight but then again berto wasnt dictating the fight against collazo either but ln ur opinion landing the cleaner harder shots. if going by cleaner, harder shots kotelnik definitely won the fight and panda honestly thought alexander was the real deal

But the difference is, Berto was more active than Kotelnik, he would fight in spurts, but he would also follow up his attacks when landing, Kotelnik would land then shell up when Alexander tried to answer back, and some were getting threw. Collazo would dictate but Berto would stop him in his tracks with a clean hard shot, flurry and wrestle back the momentum imo, well, from what i remember.

[King Koopa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsA0hreQAWI

"119-110?! Who's kidding who? That is a travesty!"-Mr. Big Right Hand

[Frank Ducketts]

I thought Martinez-Williams and Berto-Collazo were close, though they had some ****ty scorecards.

I thought Kotelnik won clearly though, I found it hard to give Alexander rounds when he was getting hit so cleanly, despite his work rate.

Kotelnik missed a lot of shots too. The shots Kotelnik did land did look cleaner than D.A's when his landed, but A.K did not land enough for me to say he was robbed. Now Maidana landed enough on Kotelnik for me to say that he clearly beat Kotelnik imo. That was a robbery...

[Viciousz]

They were all very close fights which public opinion sided with the losing side a little bit more so then the winner. But they were not major robberies in any way shape of form.

[Dynamite Kid]

Kotelnik missed a lot of shots too. The shots Kotelnik did land did look cleaner than D.A's when his landed, but A.K did not land enough for me to say he was robbed. Now Maidana landed enough on Kotelnik for me to say that he clearly beat Kotelnik imo. That was a robbery...

Agree 100%, i just find hard to score a round based on 2/3 clean connects, even though the other guy is trying to work the whole round and! also getting threw occasionally, albeit not as significantly.

I mean you guys should ask yourself this, how many rounds were there where you can definitively say to yourself, that was a AK round? i could count prolly 2 or 3 at a push.

[KingTito]

This is a good thread. The fights were close, but certainly weren't robberies at all. You can definitely make a good argument that the decisions were good. I agreed with all of them. I thought Williams, Berto and Alexander won to be honest.

[BillyBoxing]

Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions? or did people just react to this because all 3 of those guys were considered underdogs and made the fight unexpectedly competitive? i fear its the latter to be honest.

I saw those fights like this......


Martinez-Williams. I though that Williams was more active and that Martinez stepped off the gas, if he had not done that then i may have scored it for him, however Williams let his hands go the whole fight, now whilst not all his punches were hard, he was always forcing the fight and touching Martinez, Martinez was landing good shots but was not as consistent with his attacks imo, also take note, that i watched this on a foreign broadcast so could not be influenced by commentary, not that my interpretation is final by any means Lol

Berto-Collazo. I felt Berto landed the harder punches throughout, now Collazo kinda did what Williams was doing at times, which was keep his hands going with punches with little power on them, only the difference was that Williams was pushing the other guy back and being aggressive, taking it to him, he had the momentum going his way when he would do this, so it seemed like he was trying to overwhelm the opponent, Collazo did it going backwards which looked like he was only throwing them cause he had to, so he could stay with Berto, Berto looked to be dictating things to him in those late rounds rather than the other way around imo.


Im of the opinion that momentum is a big thing in close rounds, now this does not apply when the guy with the momentum is coming foward, but not landing(Froch), but it does apply with he is landing (Castillo-Mayweather)


Kotelnik was a tough fight to score to be honest, Alexander moved his hands but a lot of his punches were showy, out of range, missed, or blocked, by contract Kotelnik was landing the clean punches, only problem i had scoring this fight was, that in some of the rounds i wanted to give Kotelnik, he would land a good shot, but not follow up his attack, it made it look like he rarely ever dominated a round by dictating the pace of the fight &!! landed the clean punches he was landing, at the same time, instead it was Devon dictating the flow of the action for most the rounds, albeit not always landing, not to say he was not landing throughout the fight, he was, with that said, i found it hard to score for Kotelnik when he was so inactive in a lot of the rounds, albeit he was landing the cleaner punches in some of those rounds, too much of the time it was one and done imo.

Collazo really outboxed Berto.

Kotelnik outlanded Devin,and this with cleaner punches to the head,so he get robbed plain and simple.

Martinez didn't outlanded Williams,but he really ****ed up the guy,I mean,Williams was punch drunk and sorry after the fight,the guy wasn't a winner.

If you want to beat an american in USA,you got to throw more punches,land more punches,and hurt the guy,or they will always find an excuse to give the other guy the decision.

[BillyBoxing]

[QUOTE=KingTito;9036762]This is a good thread. The fights were close, but certainly weren't robberies at all. You can definitely make a good argument that the decisions were good. I agreed with all of them. I thought Williams, Berto and Alexander won to be honest.[/QUOTE]

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