Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions?

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  • Dynamite Kid
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    Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions?

    Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions? or did people just react to this because all 3 of those guys were considered underdogs and made the fight unexpectedly competitive? i fear its the latter to be honest.

    I saw those fights like this......


    Martinez-Williams. I though that Williams was more active and that Martinez stepped off the gas, if he had not done that then i may have scored it for him, however Williams let his hands go the whole fight, now whilst not all his punches were hard, he was always forcing the fight and touching Martinez, Martinez was landing good shots but was not as consistent with his attacks imo, also take note, that i watched this on a foreign broadcast so could not be influenced by commentary, not that my interpretation is final by any means Lol

    Berto-Collazo. I felt Berto landed the harder punches throughout, now Collazo kinda did what Williams was doing at times, which was keep his hands going with punches with little power on them, only the difference was that Williams was pushing the other guy back and being aggressive, taking it to him, he had the momentum going his way when he would do this, so it seemed like he was trying to overwhelm the opponent, Collazo did it going backwards which looked like he was only throwing them cause he had to, so he could stay with Berto, Berto looked to be dictating things to him in those late rounds rather than the other way around imo.


    Im of the opinion that momentum is a big thing in close rounds, now this does not apply when the guy with the momentum is coming foward, but not landing(Froch), but it does apply with he is landing (Castillo-Mayweather)


    Kotelnik was a tough fight to score to be honest, Alexander moved his hands but a lot of his punches were showy, out of range, missed, or blocked, by contract Kotelnik was landing the clean punches, only problem i had scoring this fight was, that in some of the rounds i wanted to give Kotelnik, he would land a good shot, but not follow up his attack, it made it look like he rarely ever dominated a round by dictating the pace of the fight &!! landed the clean punches he was landing, at the same time, instead it was Devon dictating the flow of the action for most the rounds, albeit not always landing, not to say he was not landing throughout the fight, he was, with that said, i found it hard to score for Kotelnik when he was so inactive in a lot of the rounds, albeit he was landing the cleaner punches in some of those rounds, too much of the time it was one and done imo.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
    Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions? or did people just react to this because all 3 of those guys were considered underdogs and made the fight unexpectedly competitive? i fear its the latter to be honest.

    I saw those fights like this......


    Martinez-Williams. I though that Williams was more active and that Martinez stepped off the gas, if he had not done that then i may have scored it for him, however Williams let his hands go the whole fight, now whilst not all his punches were hard, he was always forcing the fight and touching Martinez, Martinez was landing good shots but was not as consistent with his attacks imo, also take note, that i watched this on a foreign broadcast so could not be influenced by commentary, not that my interpretation is final by any means Lol

    Berto-Collazo. I felt Berto landed the harder punches throughout, now Collazo kinda did what Williams was doing at times, which was keep his hands going with punches with little power on them, only the difference was that Williams was pushing the other guy back and being aggressive, taking it to him, he had the momentum going his way when he would do this, so it seemed like he was trying to overwhelm the opponent, Collazo did it going backwards which looked like he was only throwing them cause he had to, so he could stay with Berto, Berto looked to be dictating things to him in those late rounds rather than the other way around imo.


    Im of the opinion that momentum is a big thing in close rounds, now this does not apply when the guy with the momentum is coming foward, but not landing(Froch), but it does apply with he is landing (Castillo-Mayweather)


    Kotelnik was a tough fight to score to be honest, Alexander moved his hands but a lot of his punches were showy, out of range, missed, or blocked, by contract Kotelnik was landing the clean punches, only problem i had scoring this fight was, that in some of the rounds i wanted to give Kotelnik, he would land a good shot, but not follow up his attack, it made it look like he rarely ever dominated a round by dictating the pace of the fight &!! landed the clean punches he was landing, at the same time, instead it was Devon dictating the flow of the action for most the rounds, albeit not always landing, not to say he was not landing throughout the fight, he was, with that said, i found it hard to score for Kotelnik when he was so inactive in a lot of the rounds, albeit he was landing the cleaner punches in some of those rounds, too much of the time it was one and done imo.
    This is a very good opinion & I'm surprised it didn't get any love!!All the fights were very close,I still think Collazo beat Berto,but the other 2 could have gone either way!!

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    • RimmyDelicious
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      #3
      Kotelnik got flat robbed. That was one of the worst decisions in recent years.

      I thought that both Martinez and Collazo edged out Williams and Berto, however both fight were close enough that I just considered them bad and not robberies. Dirrell/Froch was another fight I thought was a bad decision but not a robbery.

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      • Silencers
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        #4
        Can't remember my scores for Martinez-Williams but I think I had Martinez winning 115-113.

        Had Kotelnik beating Alexander 116-112 and Collazo beating Berto 114-113.

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        • eli porter
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          Martinez's win over williams was clear. I don't give a fuck about workrate (it's just an excuse for bad judging), if one boxer hits the other cleanly every round and rolls everything that comes in return it's clear who won.

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            Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
            Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions? or did people just react to this because all 3 of those guys were considered underdogs and made the fight unexpectedly competitive? i fear its the latter to be honest.

            I saw those fights like this......


            Martinez-Williams. I though that Williams was more active and that Martinez stepped off the gas, if he had not done that then i may have scored it for him, however Williams let his hands go the whole fight, now whilst not all his punches were hard, he was always forcing the fight and touching Martinez, Martinez was landing good shots but was not as consistent with his attacks imo, also take note, that i watched this on a foreign broadcast so could not be influenced by commentary, not that my interpretation is final by any means Lol

            Berto-Collazo. I felt Berto landed the harder punches throughout, now Collazo kinda did what Williams was doing at times, which was keep his hands going with punches with little power on them, only the difference was that Williams was pushing the other guy back and being aggressive, taking it to him, he had the momentum going his way when he would do this, so it seemed like he was trying to overwhelm the opponent, Collazo did it going backwards which looked like he was only throwing them cause he had to, so he could stay with Berto, Berto looked to be dictating things to him in those late rounds rather than the other way around imo.


            Im of the opinion that momentum is a big thing in close rounds, now this does not apply when the guy with the momentum is coming foward, but not landing(Froch), but it does apply with he is landing (Castillo-Mayweather)


            Kotelnik was a tough fight to score to be honest, Alexander moved his hands but a lot of his punches were showy, out of range, missed, or blocked, by contract Kotelnik was landing the clean punches, only problem i had scoring this fight was, that in some of the rounds i wanted to give Kotelnik, he would land a good shot, but not follow up his attack, it made it look like he rarely ever dominated a round by dictating the pace of the fight &!! landed the clean punches he was landing, at the same time, instead it was Devon dictating the flow of the action for most the rounds, albeit not always landing, not to say he was not landing throughout the fight, he was, with that said, i found it hard to score for Kotelnik when he was so inactive in a lot of the rounds, albeit he was landing the cleaner punches in some of those rounds, too much of the time it was one and done imo.
            I thought Kotelnik won that fight. Apart from that i agree with everything you said...

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              #7
              I thought Martinez and Collazo lost but Kotelnik did get robbed. Kotelnik imo took Alexander to school, it wasn't even that close.

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              • savorduhflavor
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                I had Williams/Martinez a draw.

                I had Kotelnik beating Alexander 7 to 5.

                And I had Berto beating Collazo 8-4. I in no way can see how someone can score that fight for Collazo.

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                • S.G.
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                  #9
                  Martinez-Williams and Collazo-Berto were both fights that could conceivably be scored either way. Kotelnik beat Alexander in every area, every judging criteria, except (ineffective) workrate.

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                  • Dynamite Kid
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                    I had Williams/Martinez a draw.

                    I had Kotelnik beating Alexander 7 to 5.

                    And I had Berto beating Collazo 8-4. I in no way can see how someone can score that fight for Collazo.

                    Yeah, i had Berto winning, with! the point taken, at least i think he had a point taken.

                    I thought the were spells in both Collazo & Martinez fight where by both these two stepped off the gas and let the other guy take over.

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