Did Sergio Martienz, Kotelnik, Collazo really get bad decisions?

[-PANDA-]

Can't remember my scores for Martinez-Williams but I think I had Martinez winning 115-113.

Had Kotelnik beating Alexander 116-112 and Collazo beating Berto 114-113.

panda had the same scores except scored it 115-113 kotelnik

its called clean effective punches which is what judges should go by anyway. if going by who would u rather have been at the end of those fights definitely:

martinez: he hurt williams bad, countered him hard and made him miss and cut him. the fight was that close because martinez took a breather in the middle rounds but then again he also did that in the pavlik fight. martinez wasnt looking beat up williams was

collazo: he hurt berto more often than berto hurt him, panda watched this fight with numerous people and paused it each time the scores were announced to check who my friends felt won. nobody ever had berto winning. collazo flurried on the inside and had bero clinching to make it an ugly fight

kotelnik: came with hard counters and blocked most of alexander's punches. if kotelnik didnt win by fighting that type of fight then winky wright shouldnt have won any of his high profile fights cuz he did exactly the same thing in his prime, block, counter hard and pressure.

[King Koopa]

The Martinez/Williams fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Martinez was robbed by the Pierre Benoist 119-110 score.

The Collazo/Berto fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Collazo was robbed by the Bill Clancy 116-111 score.

The Kotelnik/Alexander was a close bout, but Kotelnik won, and was robbed by a clean 116-112 sweep by the judges.

The first two bouts could've went either way therefore the loser wasn't "robbed" technically, but one judge from each bout ruined it by sleeping through the contest making it seem like a total sham. The third was clear bias towards the undefeated hometown HBO fighter. A rematch should be in order for all three.

Unfortunately, we might only get one at the best.

[Dynamite Kid]

panda had the same scores except scored it 115-113 kotelnik

its called clean effective punches which is what judges should go by anyway. if going by who would u rather have been at the end of those fights definitely:

martinez: he hurt williams bad, countered him hard and made him miss and cut him. the fight was that close because martinez took a breather in the middle rounds but then again he also did that in the pavlik fight. martinez wasnt looking beat up williams was

collazo: he hurt berto more often than berto hurt him, panda watched this fight with numerous people and paused it each time the scores were announced to check who my friends felt won. nobody ever had berto winning. collazo flurried on the inside and had bero clinching to make it an ugly fight

kotelnik: came with hard counters and blocked most of alexander's punches. if kotelnik didnt win by fighting that type of fight then winky wright shouldnt have won any of his high profile fights cuz he did exactly the same thing in his prime, block, counter hard and pressure.

its called clean effective punches which is what judges should go by anyway. if going by who would u rather have been at the end of those fights definitely:

Im all for favouring clean effective punches, however you also have to do enough over the coarse of 3 mins, you dont just let the other guy outwork, then have sporadic spells where you land the better punches, but dont do much else over the coarse of the round.

martinez: he hurt williams bad, countered him hard and made him miss and cut him. the fight was that close because martinez took a breather in the middle rounds but then again he also did that in the pavlik fight. martinez wasnt looking beat up williams was

Williams also hurt Martinez if i remember. The fight was not only close because Martinez stepped off the gas, Williams had something to do with that, he started putting the pressure on and closing the gap, obviously he realized after round 2 & 3 that he could stand off and Box Martinez cause he would get picked off.

collazo: he hurt berto more often than berto hurt him, panda watched this fight with numerous people and paused it each time the scores were announced to check who my friends felt won. nobody ever had berto winning. collazo flurried on the inside and had bero clinching to make it an ugly fight

He hurt Berto once from what i remember, not that significantly either, also, what your referring to there, is Collazo are punching with meaningless punches(to try and stay busy) cause he was gassed, Berto hit that man with the harder/cleaner shots throughout.

kotelnik: came with hard counters and blocked most of alexander's punches. if kotelnik didnt win by fighting that type of fight then winky wright shouldnt have won any of his high profile fights cuz he did exactly the same thing in his prime, block, counter hard and pressure.

Winky used to dictate!! the action aswell as landing his jab, Kotelnik was landing when! he threw, just not dictating the fight, or doing enough over the coarse of 3mins a round imo, although im not too bothered about that fight, it was hard to score for either guy, so not arguments there.

[joelab75]

Martinez vs Williams should have been a draw

Kotelnik definitely won the fight, 116-112

Collazo vs Berto 115-113 for Collazo. i wouldnt complain if it was a draw.

[mathed]

You alluded to the fact that these were very close fights right??? Why weren't the scorecards close then? They were all in favor of the guys that HBO was airing and building to be stars..the other guys were either foreign or not a big name, thus they lost the "CLOSE" fights on the cards when a 4 rd loss or more is not that close...it's losing an extra third of the fight

[mathed]

The Martinez/Williams fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Martinez was robbed by the Pierre Benoist 119-110 score.

The Collazo/Berto fight was a close bout that could've went either way. However Collazo was robbed by the Bill Clancy 116-111 score.

The Kotelnik/Alexander was a close bout, but Kotelnik won, and was robbed by a clean 116-112 sweep by the judges.

The first two bouts could've went either way therefore the loser wasn't "robbed" technically, but one judge from each bout ruined it by sleeping through the contest making it seem like a total sham. The third was clear bias towards the undefeated hometown HBO fighter. A rematch should be in order for all three.

Unfortunately, we might only get one at the best.

Great post!!!!!

[Frank Ducketts]

How are close fights bad decisions...??? All of those fights were close.

[Frank Ducketts]

A couple of bad scores by incompetent judges is what bothers the fans to be honest...

[-PANDA-]

Williams also hurt Martinez if i remember. The fight was not only close because Martinez stepped off the gas, Williams had something to do with that, he started putting the pressure on and closing the gap, obviously he realized after round 2 & 3 that he could stand off and Box Martinez cause he would get picked off.

He hurt Berto once from what i remember, not that significantly either, also, what your referring to there, is Collazo are punching with meaningless punches(to try and stay busy) cause he was gassed, Berto hit that man with the harder/cleaner shots throughout.

Winky used to dictate!! the action aswell as landing his jab, Kotelnik was landing when! he threw, just not dictating the fight, or doing enough over the coarse of 3mins a round imo, although im not too bothered about that fight, it was hard to score for either guy, so not arguments there.

martinez wasnt hurt, the replay clearly showed that. ur right about williams getting busier though but he was missing a lot of punches. martinez won at least 6 rounds clearly from what panda saw and another round or two he looked to land the more effective blows so panda gave him one of the rounds.

from what panda remembers it was berto who was gassed and clinching to get a breather, collazo was gassed too at some point but he stayed busy with those meaningless punches and they did land...berto hit him with the harder shots but not necessarily the cleaner shots imho

kotelnik wasnt dictating the fight but then again berto wasnt dictating the fight against collazo either but ln ur opinion landing the cleaner harder shots. if going by cleaner, harder shots kotelnik definitely won the fight and panda honestly thought alexander was the real deal

[MOTHER DUCKER]

You alluded to the fact that these were very close fights right??? Why weren't the scorecards close then? They were all in favor of the guys that HBO was airing and building to be stars..the other guys were either foreign or not a big name, thus they lost the "CLOSE" fights on the cards when a 4 rd loss or more is not that close...it's losing an extra third of the fight

I agree, I'm not sure how the judges all gave williamsthe first round whne it was pretty much even bar the knockdowns. But Williams was really hurt badly from it, while Martinez went down due to a balance issue