since floyd is now once again the linear ww world champion

[infamous larryx]

Pac beat the guy who beat Mosley b4 mayweather ever beat mosley. Plus Pac beat Cottley who is a soilid WW.

Pac>Floyd

why do ya'll keep mentioning manny??

[IMDAZED]

I think people place too much stock in being lineal champion. While the ABC belts are corrupt and a disgrace to the sport, the lineal title is often not worth much in factual terms because it comes down to a matter of opinion. This thread proves this; we have people saying that Floyd isn't the champion, we also have people saying that Floyd is the champion, but even they don't agree as some say he never stopped being the champion due to retirement, others saying a new lineage began with Cotto-Marg, others saying it began with Mosley-Marg. Who is right? No one and everyone, because there is no way of checking or verifying any claim, there is no person or group who can decide whether a fight is or isn't for the lineal title.

Lineal titles used to mean something. After all the ABC belts came along, it was good to trace who beat who going all the way back. The fact that you could trace from Ali to Tyson to Foreman to Lennox meant something. But that's not really how things are now.

The point of a 'lineal title' is the whole 'man who beat the man who beat the man etc.' stuff, but that's no longer the case. Unless I am overlooking something, in each division there has been at least one lineal champion who has retired or moved up in weight, thus breaking the line back to the days of one belt per division. Wlad's title goes back as far as...Wlad. Ditto for Dawson's. Martinez can trace his back to Hopkins (less than a decade). JMM will probably take his lineal championship with him into retirement.

Who some people think holds a make-believe belt that only exists in concept/theory anyway and doesn't physically exist is not really that important.

In this era of paper titles, P4P nonsense and magazine trinkets, we are all desperate for a title we can look to and say 'that's the one that really matters'. But none exists. All we can do is look at who beat who and how they beat them. None of the titles are particularly meaningful anymore, lineal included.

Oh thank you. I've been reading threads about lineal this and lineal that and have been tempted to echo these sentiments. The lineal title lost its meaning sometime in the 90's. It is damn near impossible to keep track at this point.

[Vladimir303]

no he isn't
lineage died when he "retired" before
Cotto, Tony, nor Mosley were lineal
Mosley fight didn't fill the vacancy since Pac was ranked #1

Lineage doesn't die....people start a new one but if for whatever reason the original Lineal Champ comes back to the division he was Champ in, he is champion again.

Doesn't mean anything though, Floyd is not the real champ but i'm telling you what lineage means. You can't lose it unless you're beaten for it.

Someone can start a new lineage if you move up in weight or retire and never come back. Being Lineal champ is like champ emeritus, you get it back as soon as you're active again in that weight class.

[Gorilla Dogs]

7 time world champ. the baddest motha fkka in boxing right now. He dont care if he fights for belts or not. Thats bad ass man

[Vladimir303]

Oh and for the TS, he didn't regain the Linear title, he already was the Lineal champ emeritus.

Mosley > Forrest > Mayorga > Spinks > Judah > Baldomir > Mayweather


At 140, Kostya Tzyu > Hatton > Manny Pacquiao


If Pac ever comes back to 140, he is the lineal champ which is different from RING MAGAZINE CHAMP. Ring Magazine means recognized champ, but you can VACATE the Ring Magazine title, you can't vacate the lineal title.

Some perspective, here is the definition for Lineage:

Lineage (anthropology) (or kinship), descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor

[priure_sion_08]

no agenda here...but he was already a 6 time champ..he won the ww world title again so that makes him a 7 time champ..right??

you have a case here. there might be a posibility as jro said. foyd might be a 7 time champ but not 7 division champ. there is a difference berween the two. if that is your point on this thread then i agree

[priure_sion_08]

130,135,and 147-2 times=4 time linear champ

4x lineal champ is different from 4 division lineal champ. just like 7 x champ and 7 division champ.

[Real King Kong]

no he isn't
lineage died when he "retired" before
Cotto, Tony, nor Mosley were lineal
Mosley fight didn't fill the vacancy since Pac was ranked #1

margarito was ranked #1 and mosley was ranked #3 when they fought. how mosley destroyed margarito and then at any point be ranked behind pac is beyond me.

[Castor_Troy]

Oh and for the TS, he didn't regain the Linear title, he already was the Lineal champ emeritus.

Mosley > Forrest > Mayorga > Spinks > Judah > Baldomir > Mayweather


At 140, Kostya Tzyu > Hatton > Manny Pacquiao


If Pac ever comes back to 140, he is the lineal champ which is different from RING MAGAZINE CHAMP. Ring Magazine means recognized champ, but you can VACATE the Ring Magazine title, you can't vacate the lineal title.

Some perspective, here is the definition for Lineage:

Lineage (anthropology) (or kinship), descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor

HHmmm let's assume that that is correct.


If Margarito Hypothetically beat Mosley after beating Cotto. He would be the new Champion starting a new line given He's ranked number 1 and Cotto and Mosley were 2 and 3 plus the fact that Floyd was retired.


If Floyd returns at Welterweight where Marg is already the New lineal champion? Which line is valid if they never face each other and fight other opponents?

[Pacquiao'd]

Pac is the man at WW and is moar important than Floyd in every way. Beating a shot to **** Mosley didn't impress anyone.

Hero of Asia baby!!

how is pac the man are at WW when he didnt beat the guy who beat the guy? rather he beat the guy to lost to the guy(marg) who took cottos belt and title.

you fools are ******ed

flow is the #1 WW and lineal champ

but what can you expect from a cheato supporter, no, ****rider