Most dominant Eastern European?

[The Big Dunn]

Your last sentence just proves that you haven't really seen Wlad fight, especially lately, since you are just repeating what his detractors are saying. Wlad doesn't really get hit! The last time I think someone actually hit him flush on the chin was Chagaev. The only punch Chagaev landed on him was after the bell and Chagaev was an undefeated Olympic gold medalist who has beaten the legendary Felix Savon more than once.

Oh and another sentence gives away that you really don't know much about Wlad is: "I can only go by what I've seen. I have no proof other than the Ko's." Wlad has NEVER been KOd, KTOd, but he always got up from every single punch. Unlike say Lewis, who sent to sleep twice. Would you say that Lewis has a glass chin? I wouldn't, simply based on those two losses. Yet you say that Wlad has a soft chin? Based on what?

Oh, and the Klitschkos have made more than $100 million each, they bring in at least $10 million a fight and have been doing so for quite some time. In addition they have made a lot more from advertising than Tyson ever has because Tyson didn't have much ad revenue coming after he went to jail, he still had fight revenue but no company wanted to put a convicted rapist as a promoter of their product. The Klitschkos have been bringing ad dollars since the early 90s and that never went away. Based on a purely PPV dollar basis, Tyson earned more, but like you said, he had to "share" it with Don King. The Klitschkos are their own promotional company, whatever they earn, is theirs, they don't have to give a cut to anybody.

But I'm talking about his whole career not just the last few years. You can't just parse his career into pieces you like and don't like. He has been down enough and knocked down by fighters with less power and accuracy than mike.

Lewis chin is irrelevant to this discussion. You know Wlad's chin is his weakness. You won't admit it so whats the point. Look, I'm sure both klithkos do well for themselves. But please they are not making anywhere near what Tyson made in his heydey.

[The Big Dunn]

Your last sentence just proves that you haven't really seen Wlad fight, especially lately, since you are just repeating what his detractors are saying. Wlad doesn't really get hit! The last time I think someone actually hit him flush on the chin was Chagaev. The only punch Chagaev landed on him was after the bell and Chagaev was an undefeated Olympic gold medalist who has beaten the legendary Felix Savon more than once.

Oh and another sentence gives away that you really don't know much about Wlad is: "I can only go by what I've seen. I have no proof other than the Ko's." Wlad has NEVER been KOd, KTOd, but he always got up from every single punch. Unlike say Lewis, who sent to sleep twice. Would you say that Lewis has a glass chin? I wouldn't, simply based on those two losses. Yet you say that Wlad has a soft chin? Based on what?

Oh, and the Klitschkos have made more than $100 million each, they bring in at least $10 million a fight and have been doing so for quite some time. In addition they have made a lot more from advertising than Tyson ever has because Tyson didn't have much ad revenue coming after he went to jail, he still had fight revenue but no company wanted to put a convicted rapist as a promoter of their product. The Klitschkos have been bringing ad dollars since the early 90s and that never went away. Based on a purely PPV dollar basis, Tyson earned more, but like you said, he had to "share" it with Don King. The Klitschkos are their own promotional company, whatever they earn, is theirs, they don't have to give a cut to anybody.

Just saw Joeyzagz vid. Can we agree on wlad's chin now!

[WladIsTheChamp]

Wlad has been down 11 times in his career, that is an astronomical number for any fighter and far more than Tyson. Wlad would probably beat Ali, or Joe Louis, but Tyson is the absolute wrong style for him and Wlad would certainly lose 10/10.

Astronomical? Out of almost 60 fights? First of all that's bull ****. Going from last to first - Sam Peter only 1 real KD (the other two were rabbit punches were Wlad lost balance), Williamson no KD, Wlad lost his balance, 1st Brewster fight 2 KDs, Sanders - 4 KDs. That's 7 KDs, with more than half coming from one fight.

Tyson was KOd 3 times, TKOd 2 times, and DQd once. Wlad only had 3 TKOs and has never been KOd cold like Tyson has, and they both had about the same amount of fights (58 vs 57). By the time Wlad is done he would have 60+ victories, a higher KO% percentage, less losses, no stoppage losses, and a longer reign than Tyson.

I would actually give Ali a higher chance of beating Wlad because he was 6'3" and had a much longer reach than Tyson. Like I said before, Tyson was at least 5 inches shorter and was missing at least 7 inches of his reach compared to every guy that beat Wlad. Tyson would never land on Wlad.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Just saw Joeyzagz vid. Can we agree on wlad's chin now!

No, you couldn't see that every one of those was an off-balance Wlad, he wasn't even hurt. I have never seen Wlad KOd like Lewis or Tyson.

[The Big Dunn]

Astronomical? Out of almost 60 fights? First of all that's bull ****. Going from last to first - Sam Peter only 1 real KD (the other two were rabbit punches were Wlad lost balance), Williamson no KD, Wlad lost his balance, 1st Brewster fight 2 KDs, Sanders - 4 KDs. That's 7 KDs, with more than half coming from one fight.

Tyson was KOd 3 times, TKOd 2 times, and DQd once. Wlad only had 3 TKOs and has never been KOd cold like Tyson has, and they both had about the same amount of fights (58 vs 57). By the time Wlad is done he would have 60+ victories, a higher KO% percentage, less losses, no stoppage losses, and a longer reign than Tyson.

I would actually give Ali a higher chance of beating Wlad because he was 6'3" and had a much longer reach than Tyson. Like I said before, Tyson was at least 5 inches shorter and was missing at least 7 inches of his reach compared to every guy that beat Wlad. Tyson would never land on Wlad.

So in other words you agree wlad has a glass jaw, but he still beats mike because, somehow, mike never lands ANY punches?

[dorruel2.0]

Tyson Destroys both Klitchkos. Let these Euro ******s keep arguing about their white hope, whose dominating the weakest heavy division in history, and best wins consist of arreola, and chambers lol. **** they have like 5 losses together to pure bums (and a heavily faded lewis. IN THEIR PRIMES, and these guys are supposed to beat tyson???
Tyson eats them alive
Then he eats their children

[WladIsTheChamp]

But I'm talking about his whole career not just the last few years. You can't just parse his career into pieces you like and don't like. He has been down enough and knocked down by fighters with less power and accuracy than mike.

Lewis chin is irrelevant to this discussion. You know Wlad's chin is his weakness. You won't admit it so whats the point. Look, I'm sure both klithkos do well for themselves. But please they are not making anywhere near what Tyson made in his heydey.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Take Tysons WHOLE career into perspective - don't separate it out by pre-prison and post-prison Mike, like you have been doing. Every post of yours before this has been saying that we shouldn't count the 5 losses after Buster because he was past his prime and we shouldn't count the Buster loss because Buster's mom died and he became superman. Take your own advice and own up that Tyson would never beat a fighter like Vitaly or Wlad.

Taken as a whole Wlad's is way more dominant than Mike - less losses, longer reign, never quit on anyone, never KOd, higher KO%.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Tyson Destroys both Klitchkos. Let these Euro ******s keep arguing about their white hope, whose dominating the weakest heavy division in history, and best wins consist of arreola, and chambers lol. **** they have like 5 losses together to pure bums (and a heavily faded lewis. IN THEIR PRIMES, and these guys are supposed to beat tyson???
Tyson eats them alive
Then he eats their children

I know it hurts, but the faster you admit it that these Euro "bums" would have had a prime Tyson crying like Arreola, the faster you can get on with your miserable life.

[WladIsTheChamp]

So in other words you agree wlad has a glass jaw, but he still beats mike because, somehow, mike never lands ANY punches?

Nope, never said Wlad has a glass jaw, you did. I am still trying to get you to prove why that statement is true. Just cause he was KD 7 times in 60 fights, doesn't mean that he does. A prime Tyson has been laid out cold by punchers who have a lower KO% than Byrd (Buster), Byrd couldn't do **** to Wlad. It seems Tyson's chin is the one that needs to be questioned, not Wlad's.

1) Tyson would never land on him
2) Even if he did, Wlad would shake it off and keep doing his thing
3) Wlad would put that soft chin of Tyson's to sleep

[Joeyzagz]

Astronomical? Out of almost 60 fights? First of all that's bull ****. Going from last to first - Sam Peter only 1 real KD (the other two were rabbit punches were Wlad lost balance), Williamson no KD, Wlad lost his balance, 1st Brewster fight 2 KDs, Sanders - 4 KDs. That's 7 KDs, with more than half coming from one fight.

Tyson was KOd 3 times, TKOd 2 times, and DQd once. Wlad only had 3 TKOs and has never been KOd cold like Tyson has, and they both had about the same amount of fights (58 vs 57). By the time Wlad is done he would have 60+ victories, a higher KO% percentage, less losses, no stoppage losses, and a longer reign than Tyson.

I would actually give Ali a higher chance of beating Wlad because he was 6'3" and had a much longer reach than Tyson. Like I said before, Tyson was at least 5 inches shorter and was missing at least 7 inches of his reach compared to every guy that beat Wlad. Tyson would never land on Wlad.

Tyson used his height to his advantage by crouching down to 3 feet to avoid punches. Wladimir can not deal with chaotic aggression and thats why he hasnt fought a real livewire since Peter I. Tyson is a faster, smarter, and more technically sound version of Peter....

While we're on the subject, Holyfield would beat Wlad as well...this current era is just not very good.