Most dominant Eastern European?

[WladIsTheChamp]

Tyson used his height to his advantage by crouching down to 3 feet to avoid punches. Wladimir can not deal with chaotic aggression and thats why he hasnt fought a real livewire since Peter I. Tyson is a faster, smarter, and more technically sound version of Peter....

While we're on the subject, Holyfield would beat Wlad as well...this current era is just not very good.

We'll see what a confident Wlad will do to Peter in their second fight, I say he puts him to sleep.

Peter is also much bigger than Tyson:

Peter is 6'2" 243 with a 77" reach
Tyson is 5'10" and was around 220 in his prime with a 71" reach

Tyson did not have the reach or the height to get to Wlad. Peter has 6" reach and 4 inches height on Tyson and that's why he had some success but that was a Wlad just coming off a disapointing Brewster loss and Sanders loss not too long ago.

Wlad own any version of Tyson, there is just too much hate and bias here to admit otherwise from certain posters. Any rational person would look at Tyson's career and see that he never did well against tall fighters. They would then would take a look at every fighter that gave Wlad problems and see that that had much longer reach than Tyson and were taller and heavier than him. Tyson's midget arms wouldn't reach Wlad's chin, and if they did, Wlad would survive. Not so much the other way around, Tyson would be eating those jabs and even a well-placed jab from Wlad would send him to the canvas. Tyson got KOd called by a guy with a 54% KO ratio, that's laughable when people talk about chin, they should talk about Tyson's chin and not Wlad's.

[Joeyzagz]

Nope, never said Wlad has a glass jaw, you did. I am still trying to get you to prove why that statement is true. Just cause he was KD 7 times in 60 fights, doesn't mean that he does. A prime Tyson has been laid out cold by punchers who have a lower KO% than Byrd (Buster), Byrd couldn't do **** to Wlad. It seems Tyson's chin is the one that needs to be questioned, not Wlad's.

1) Tyson would never land on him
2) Even if he did, Wlad would shake it off and keep doing his thing
3) Wlad would put that soft chin of Tyson's to sleep

Tyson was only down twice in his first 54 fights against Holyfield, Buster....

Wlad was down 11 times in his first 54 fights against mostly bums....

Tyson would win because Wlad crumbles under chaotic pressure...A pre-liakovich Brewster, an awkward Sanders, and a crazy Peter throws him out of his safe zone. Wlad prefers the soft predictable fighters like Chambers and chagaev, or the friendly geezers like Thompson and shot Rahman.




..yea I can think of at least 6 different ways Tyson could own this guy...

[WladIsTheChamp]

Tyson was only down twice in his first 54 fights against Holyfield, Buster....

Wlad was down 11 times in his first 54 fights against mostly bums....

Tyson would win because Wlad crumbles under chaotic pressure...A pre-liakovich Brewster, an awkward Sanders, and a crazy Peter throws him out of his safe zone. Wlad prefers the soft predictable fighters like Chambers and chagaev, or the friendly geezers like Thompson and shot Rahman.




..yea I can think of at least 6 different ways Tyson could own this guy...

Oh ok, so he has been KOd three times, but only has 2KD? Don't you have to be on the canvas for at least 10 seconds to get KOd? Oh, I get it, you are not counting Williams, but you are counting every single time YOU think Wlad was down. Something is wrong with your math. As I said before, Wlad has not been down 11 times as you say.

Tyson was KOd 3 times, one time by a guy with less power than Byrd, Wlad has never been KOd. That kind puts things in perspective for you.

Tyson built his name on the McNeelies and LHWs of the world, when faced with anyone in his era that was a good fighter and wasn't intimidated, he folded. In all honesty, Tyson is a top 15 HW fighter of all time, Wlad is a top-10 fighter, very closely approaching top 5.

[The Big Dunn]

Maybe you should take your own advice. Take Tysons WHOLE career into perspective - don't separate it out by pre-prison and post-prison Mike, like you have been doing. Every post of yours before this has been saying that we shouldn't count the 5 losses after Buster because he was past his prime and we shouldn't count the Buster loss because Buster's mom died and he became superman. Take your own advice and own up that Tyson would never beat a fighter like Vitaly or Wlad.

Taken as a whole Wlad's is way more dominant than Mike - less losses, longer reign, never quit on anyone, never KOd, higher KO%.

I'm only talking about wlad's chin, not his wins or losses. I'm not dis*****g anything you say about wlad excetp if tyson hits him hard he's going to sleep. I never said anything about counting losses. Somehow you inferred that. what I said was the Tyson post douglas was different. Not because of the losses, because he had gone through prison, divorce, getting $100 mil stolen from him.

Your argument is that Tyson wouldn't land but if SOMEHOW he did Wlad would just shake it off. Look, if you honestly believe that then there is almost no point in continuing. You make excellent points but you can't reasonably refute any post questionning wlads chin. Mike Tyson (the one with Kevin Rooney) who moved his head constantly and found a way to get inside on evrybody he fought would get inside on Wlad.

[boxasmash]

Wlad has a better resume than Tyson.

[southcentralcar]

Wlad has a better resume than Tyson.

youre living in your teletubie dreamland

[The Big Dunn]

In all honesty, Tyson is a top 15 HW fighter of all time, Wlad is a top-10 fighter, very closely approaching top 5.

There is nothing left to say!

[WladIsTheChamp]

I'm only talking about wlad's chin, not his wins or losses. I'm not dis*****g anything you say about wlad excetp if tyson hits him hard he's going to sleep. I never said anything about counting losses. Somehow you inferred that. what I said was the Tyson post douglas was different. Not because of the losses, because he had gone through prison, divorce, getting $100 mil stolen from him.

Your argument is that Tyson wouldn't land but if SOMEHOW he did Wlad would just shake it off. Look, if you honestly believe that then there is almost no point in continuing. You make excellent points but you can't reasonably refute any post questionning wlads chin. Mike Tyson (the one with Kevin Rooney) who moved his head constantly and found a way to get inside on evrybody he fought would get inside on Wlad.

Sorry, Mike Tyson didn't get inside on everyone, agaisnt tall fighters he always struggled. He couldn't KO 6'4" Bonecrusher, or 6.5" Mitch Green, or 6'5 Tony Tucker. He got KOd by 6'4"-6'5" Buster and 6'6" Lennox and quit against 6'6" McBride. Wlad, being in the same league as Lennox and with similar style, better power, would have KOd Tyson. The chin thing is a myth and even if there is some truth to it, Tyson isn't touching it, not with his 5'10" height and 71" reach. Every fighter that beat Wlad had at least a 77" reach (at least) and 6'2" height.

[WladIsTheChamp]

In all honesty, Tyson is a top 15 HW fighter of all time, Wlad is a top-10 fighter, very closely approaching top 5.

There is nothing left to say!

You are right, there isn't, good place to leave off, mentioning the legacy that Wlad will leave when he retires (barring another loss).

[Steak]

people love to go to extremes in matchups like Wlad vs Tyson, but in reality it would have been an unpredictable fight. I can definitely see Wladimir being able to push Tyson away on the outside with his jabs and hooks off the jab. I can also see him effectively being able to tie up Tyson...Tyson may have been an inside fighter, but in reality there was a lot of clinching in his fights.

And yet we all know the explosiveness and destruction of Tyson's punches, and Wlad's tenativeness and lack of durability. I think we can all see Wladimir doing great, and then getting smacked and the whole fight changing instantly(not necessarily having Wlad automatically KOed, but I can see him stumbling around the ring for two rounds like a drunken sailor until the fight was stopped).

people underestimate Wladimir's heart, and likewise people underestimate the variety and body punching of Tyson.

because of the natural disadvantages both of them have and the fact that their styles are almost completely opposite, if they fought 10 times, you may as well have flipped a coin ten times to see who would have won.

oh and as for the question, yea, its definitely Wladimir.