Most dominant Eastern European?

[WladIsTheChamp]

His lost because his chin was weak. But I'm not saying he lost to x so he loses to mike. IMO, and I think wlad's career supports this, his chin is not sturdy.

I can respect your point about losses but in Tyson's loss to Buster BOTH boxers fought differently then they had in any fight prior to that. It was by all agreement an anomaly on both sides, Buster himself even notes this when discussing the impact his moms death had on the fight. Buster got up from mike's best punch. WLad doesn't get up! So even if you go by just the Buster fight, wlad still gets hit and IMO doesn't survive.

As far as mentally tougher, I don't know if Wlad can handle all that comes with being the most popular athlete in the world. Obviously, Mike couldn't handle it. But could Wlad ever make it to the point tha he was bigger than Jordan or Ali or Pele? Respect your point but you have to put it in some sort of perspective.

Either way Wlad isn't taking any flush punches from Mike Tyson. You may not admit it but I think you know it.

Wlad wouldn't let Tyson hit him flush like he did Buster. Wlad is no Buster - twice as much power, way more fluid, better foot movement, 10 times more skill, faster hands, jab 100 times better.

Wlad would keep Tyson at the end of his jab and would sweep him with his left hook if Tyson got brave enough and tried to come in. Or he would put that left jab in Tyson's face, distract him and Tyson wouldn't even see the right coming, it would be lights out for Tyson. Tyson is about the size of Chambers and Byrd, he would send Tyson flying a couple of feet with a hard jab like he did Byrd.

[The Big Dunn]

No way, first, Tyson doesn't even touch Wlad. Second, that weak chin thing is a myth. Wlad doesn't have a weak chin. What are you going to use to support that?

Oh, and Wlad is on the level of Jordan or Pele at this point when it comes to boxing. Him and his brother are practically deities in Germany and Ukraine. The guy has 14 million Germans tuning.

Mike Tyson and Wlad fight, mike never lands any power shots? Cmon man please be reasonable. Wlad would get hit plenty. If he can take the hits, which I think is unlikely given what I have seen, then he has a great chance to win late, even by KO. I just don't see him making it there.

Wlad and his brother are big in Germany! Mike Tyson was the most well known athlete and arguably the most well known person in the WORLD other than the pope and the president of the US. How is that any comparison?

[WladIsTheChamp]

Mike Tyson and Wlad fight, mike never lands any power shots? Cmon man please be reasonable. Wlad would get hit plenty. If he can take the hits, which I think is unlikely given what I have seen, then he has a great chance to win late, even by KO. I just don't see him making it there.

Wlad and his brother are big in Germany! Mike Tyson was the most well known athlete and arguably the most well known person in the WORLD other than the pope and the president of the US. How is that any comparison?

Did Tyson pack 60,000 football stadiums fight after fight? I think the comparison is very valid. The Klitschkos have made at least as much money as Tyson, if not more, I am sure they will make more by the time they retire.

Wlad wouldn't get touched by Tyson, every fighter that gave Wlad trouble was at least 5 inches taller than Tyson and has 7 inches of reach on Tyson. Tyson with his short arms and 5'10 height wouldn't stand a chance.

You still haven't provided proof that Wlad has a weak chin.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Mike Tyson and Wlad fight, mike never lands any power shots? Cmon man please be reasonable. Wlad would get hit plenty. If he can take the hits, which I think is unlikely given what I have seen, then he has a great chance to win late, even by KO. I just don't see him making it there.

Wlad and his brother are big in Germany! Mike Tyson was the most well known athlete and arguably the most well known person in the WORLD other than the pope and the president of the US. How is that any comparison?

Wlad and his brother are big in Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe, most of Western Europe, South America, hell even Canada (which has a huge Ukrainian population). The US is not the whole world bro, there are other countries out there as well. The level of popularity the Klitschkos enjoy in Germany surpasses anything Tyson had in his own country. The Klitschkos are actually liked and people show up to see them win, people tuned in to see Tyson loose. Whether that takes more pressure is debatable, it probably took more out of Tyson to know that he was hated, but he brought that on himself. People liked him before the **** conviction, he even had his face on a Wheatties box.

Regardless, Wlad recovered from his career lows to come back stronger than ever. Tyson couldn't do it. Looking at their entire careers, Wlad has been the mentally stronger one, no doubt.

[Mushroom]

Wlad and his brother are big in Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe, most of Western Europe, South America, hell even Canada (which has a huge Ukrainian population). The US is not the whole world bro, there are other countries out there as well. The level of popularity the Klitschkos enjoy in Germany surpasses anything Tyson had in his own country. The Klitschkos are actually liked and people show up to see them win, people tuned in to see Tyson loose. Whether that takes more pressure is debatable, it probably took more out of Tyson to know that he was hated, but he brought that on himself. People liked him before the **** conviction, he even had his face on a Wheatties box.

Regardless, Wlad recovered from his career lows to come back stronger than ever. Tyson couldn't do it. Looking at their entire careers, Wlad has been the mentally stronger one, no doubt.

Define what you mean as I wouldn't describe any non British fighter particularly popular amongst the mainstream in the UK tbh.

[The Big Dunn]

Did Tyson pack 60,000 football stadiums fight after fight? I think the comparison is very valid. The Klitschkos have made at least as much money as Tyson, if not more, I am sure they will make more by the time they retire.

Wlad wouldn't get touched by Tyson, every fighter that gave Wlad trouble was at least 5 inches taller than Tyson and has 7 inches of reach on Tyson. Tyson with his short arms and 5'10 height wouldn't stand a chance.

You still haven't provided proof that Wlad has a weak chin.

Don King stole $100 mil from Mike Tyson. Has Wlad and Vitali combined made that? Wlad's povetkin guarantee was $8 -$9 mil. Mike made twice that fighting Mcneely.

I can only go by what I've seen. I have no proof other than the Ko's. In theory you are correct but in the ring isn't theory. I'm not saying mike gives wlad trouble as much as I'm saying he hits him hard a couple times and wlad falls.

The level of popularity the Klitschkos enjoy in Germany surpasses anything Tyson had in his own country. Like I said, Mike Tyson was 1 of the top 5 most known people in the WORLD. To even argue a klithcko is that popular is ridiculous. Look, its cool if you like wlad but his chin is a problem for him and to argue otherwise makes no sense. He has all the tools to beat mike except from what I've seen his chin can't handle tyson's power. If he survives the power he has a great chance to win. But the notion that bnot just tyson, but any professional, wouldn't land 1 shot is truly unbelievable.

Wlad would get hit as he always does.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Define what you mean as I wouldn't describe any non British fighter particularly popular amongst the mainstream in the UK tbh.

That's why I said "most of Western Europe", to specifically exclude England. Germany is Western Europe, Scandinavian countries are Western Europe, so is Switzerland (Vitaly sold out a stadium in Zurich). The average Brit does know who they are though, you have to admit, otherwise Gaye wouldn't made his t-shirts, he used their fame to raise his own popularity.

[Mushroom]

That's why I said "most of Western Europe", to specifically exclude England. Germany is Western Europe, Scandinavian countries are Western Europe, so is Switzerland (Vitaly sold out a stadium in Zurich). The average Brit does know who they are though, you have to admit, otherwise Gaye wouldn't made his t-shirts, he used their fame to raise his own popularity.

The average Brit would have probably heard of their names but I would say less than 50% would know that they are the heavyweight champions.

[Joeyzagz]

Wlad is a better boxer, hits harder, has equal speed and a better chin than Tyson.

Wlad has been down 11 times in his career, that is an astronomical number for any fighter and far more than Tyson. Wlad would probably beat Ali, or Joe Louis, but Tyson is the absolute wrong style for him and Wlad would certainly lose 10/10.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Don King stole $100 mil from Mike Tyson. Has Wlad and Vitali combined made that? Wlad's povetkin guarantee was $8 -$9 mil. Mike made twice that fighting Mcneely.

I can only go by what I've seen. I have no proof other than the Ko's. In theory you are correct but in the ring isn't theory. I'm not saying mike gives wlad trouble as much as I'm saying he hits him hard a couple times and wlad falls.

The level of popularity the Klitschkos enjoy in Germany surpasses anything Tyson had in his own country. Like I said, Mike Tyson was 1 of the top 5 most known people in the WORLD. To even argue a klithcko is that popular is ridiculous. Look, its cool if you like wlad but his chin is a problem for him and to argue otherwise makes no sense. He has all the tools to beat mike except from what I've seen his chin can't handle tyson's power. If he survives the power he has a great chance to win. But the notion that bnot just tyson, but any professional, wouldn't land 1 shot is truly unbelievable.

Wlad would get hit as he always does.

Your last sentence just proves that you haven't really seen Wlad fight, especially lately, since you are just repeating what his detractors are saying. Wlad doesn't really get hit! The last time I think someone actually hit him flush on the chin was Chagaev. The only punch Chagaev landed on him was after the bell and Chagaev was an undefeated Olympic gold medalist who has beaten the legendary Felix Savon more than once.

Oh and another sentence gives away that you really don't know much about Wlad is: "I can only go by what I've seen. I have no proof other than the Ko's." Wlad has NEVER been KOd, KTOd, but he always got up from every single punch. Unlike say Lewis, who sent to sleep twice. Would you say that Lewis has a glass chin? I wouldn't, simply based on those two losses. Yet you say that Wlad has a soft chin? Based on what?

Oh, and the Klitschkos have made more than $100 million each, they bring in at least $10 million a fight and have been doing so for quite some time. In addition they have made a lot more from advertising than Tyson ever has because Tyson didn't have much ad revenue coming after he went to jail, he still had fight revenue but no company wanted to put a convicted rapist as a promoter of their product. The Klitschkos have been bringing ad dollars since the early 90s and that never went away. Based on a purely PPV dollar basis, Tyson earned more, but like you said, he had to "share" it with Don King. The Klitschkos are their own promotional company, whatever they earn, is theirs, they don't have to give a cut to anybody.