Pound for pound prime RJJ vs Floyd

[THE REED]

Yeah roy is too, but I'm making an argument why I feel floyd wins. I think floyd is better. And IMDAZED point is well taken, toney is like floyd. But he isn't floyd.

I just think floyd's accurate hard counterpunching eventually wears roy down, assuming all else is equal. At some point roy IMO, will have to change his style.

You are 100% correct, from rd 1-12 roy could take floyd out at any secomnd with one punch. But if he doesn't take him out I think floyd forces him to do sopmething different.

Then what does Roys FASTER, HARDER, just as accurate counter punching do to Floyd?

[IMDAZED]

Not for nothing but James Toney was a better counterpuncher than Floyd Mayweather. Yes, this may come as a surprise to those who began watching boxing in 2000 but Let's get that clear RIGHT NOW. Toney had the same ability but could turn your lights out with one shot off the counter. He was masterful at that.

[THE REED]

I was replying to the person who said that may has lost once meanwhile roy has never lost. of course we can ignore the dq vs griffith but you cant say jones jr. never lost. in the tarver fight he was a bit past his prime but as i said no one was talking about it before the fight only after he got knocked out

Noone?


Were you around for Tarver I?

Did you see Roy - Tarver I?

Did you see what Roy looked like in Tarver I?


He was ass tired by round 4.


Certainly... people were talking about it.

[Pacquiao'd]

It's not laughable at all to people who have actually seen Toneys entire career.

It may or may not be better, but it is comparable.

I would rank Floyds defense over Toneys, but it isnt laughable.

what im saying is that floyd has many more tricks and tools than toney does.

just bc roy beat and shut toney out has nothing to do how roy would look against someone like floyd.

toney is limited in the things he would do compared to floyd. floyd does eveything toney does better and he can do more

but man, imagine a fight between two fighters like floyd and roy. god that would have been epic, hypothetically

[southcentralcar]

No, that's not true at all either. Toney had the better chin, more power, was far more active, great stamina. Plus, was no slouch in all other departments. yesir, you know my man but step your game up. Go watch those Toney tapes from the early 90's.

i doubt theres anyone like floyd, man. he makes his opponents look worse than usually and he's never lost a pro bout. i like toney too and watched like 90% of his pro fights but its hard to compare him to mayweather cuz theres never been a fighter who actually could outbox him

[The Big Dunn]

Then what does Roys FASTER, HARDER, just as accurate counter punching do to Floyd?

I'm assuming roy is going to be the agressor so floyds countering is more important. I think roy underestimates floyds power as every opponent floyd has ever faced does. That gets him in trouble.

[THE REED]

what im saying is that floyd has many more tricks and tools than toney does.

just bc roy beat and shut toney out has nothing to do how roy would look against someone like floyd.

toney is limited in the things he would do compared to floyd. floyd does eveything toney does better and he can do more

but man, imagine a fight between two fighters like floyd and roy. god that would have been epic, hypothetically

You're way to vague.


No specifics.


I question how many prime Toney fights you've seen. 1994 and before...


You talk about all these tools and tricks, but you don't mention any of them specifically.

[THE REED]

I'm assuming roy is going to be the agressor so floyds countering is more important. I think roy underestimates floyds power as every opponent floyd has ever faced does. That gets him in trouble.

Not sure why you would assume that.

And goodluck countering someone who is a better counterpuncher than you... who is faster and more powerful.

[Pacquiao'd]

No, that's not true at all either. Toney had the better chin, more power, was far more active, great stamina. Plus, was no slouch in all other departments. yesir, you know my man but step your game up. Go watch those Toney tapes from the early 90's.

trust me, i have watched toneys fights. but as said, floyd is the better fighter with more tools imo

[$Bullsfam$]

Obviously Roy Jones Jr. He could do it all not because he was the most skilled but because he was so god damn athletic and almost unhittable. I always have Floyd losing in fantasy matches with ATG's like Leonard & Whitaker just because of his terrible work rate. It's pretty hard to counter guys that are just as fast and just as skilled as Floyd is. I feel like they just out work him pretty much since they both have a pretty active jab not to mention.

But Roy did it all offensively & defensively. Their was really no set way to beat him and nobody ever came close in his younger days. Roy was all athleticism so the only way fights with him even got competitive was when he reached his 30's and wasn't as fast so his chin was easier to tag. Not to mention dominated going from Middleweight to Heavyweight. I know Floyd went through a few weight classes too but I believe it's even harder for the higher weight classes. I'm sure only boxing historians could list 10 fighters that started from middleweight and won the Heavyweight title if their even is 10. Theirs numerous guys that went up from the lower weight classes. Nevertheless he didn't even do it on pure skill he did it on pure athleticism. That's pretty freakin sick.