Pound for pound prime RJJ vs Floyd

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well, lets wait and see

Yeah, when making comments like that you have to keep things in perspective. Think of Floyd's career then realize Toney has more than DOUBLE his fights.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

RJJ all day, this guy was deem invincible in his prime and he had that aura of invincibility about him when he was in his prime which was kinda freakish superman-wise. But i alway feel a certain someone who beat him already would have beaten him prime for prime.

oh lord

[THE REED]

****in Ray

[Pacquiao'd]

Yeah, when making comments like that you have to keep things in perspective. Think of Floyd's career then realize Toney has more than DOUBLE his fights.

you are totally right. dont think that im saying toney isnt great b/c hes nothing short of great. i just dont think that we can look at roy and toneys fight and say roy floyd would go the same way

i think it would be very competitive

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you are totally right. dont think that im saying toney isnt great b/c hes nothing short of great. i just dont think that we can look at roy and toneys fight and say roy floyd would go the same way

i think it would be very competitive

Oh I agree - it sure would. Both were so tough, mentally.

[ballgamessuck]

Not sure I understand what your asking in this thread. Your saying who would win if they were the same size? or Who did more and looked more impressive P4P in their prime. If they were the same size that would be a great fight both are the truth.

I think Floyd has some skills that would make him competitive against Roy. Now if you were to take Roy at 154 and the floyd that fought at 154 against Oscar than obviously Roy would beat him easily but thats a complete mismatch.

I think this is a null topic though. Roy's style is more fitting at those weight classes as floyd's is at the lower weights. that wasn't the best explanation lol but its kind of like apples and oranges to me. Lets stick to comparing guys in remotely the same weight range.

I really think you have missed the point of P4P. It is basically a toss up argument right now of whether Floyd or Paq is the best P4P fighter, it is just coincidence that they are the same size. There are P4P rankings all the time, they dont have to be the same size, what P4P says is that pound for pound, who is the better fighter. I dont know how else to explain it to you. Lets try an example. Kelly Pavlik was recently the recognized champion at 160, Juan Manuel Marquez is recognized champion at 135. Common sense tells us that if they actually fought JMM would die. However, pound for pound (aka P4P), I feel that the vast majority of boxing fans would agree that JMM is a more complete fighter than Pavlik. Pound for Pound of body weight, JMM is better.

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Noone?


Were you around for Tarver I?

Did you see Roy - Tarver I?

Did you see what Roy looked like in Tarver I?


He was ass tired by round 4.


Certainly... people were talking about it.

Agreed. Dropping from HW back to 175 ruined RJJ. He would have been better off to stay at HW and let Tarver come to him.

[ballgamessuck]

Have you guys ever seen how insanely fast and quick and explosive Floyd was at his best weight?


People on this site have bearely seen Floyd at 130. I never seen anything that fast at 130 Pounds in my life.

All the RJ easily **** needs to stop. A P4P Mayweather would be the oughest fight of Roys career and vice versa. Its a crazy match up and its hard to predict becuse Prime for Prime they were bth untouchable. Roy was bareky touched and Floyd was barely touched.

That is what makes P4P a worthy topic. If I was god I would scale them both to about 154 and make it happen.

[titanium]

Is quality of oppostion included in this. Jones Jr.!!!!!!!!!!

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Is quality of oppostion included in this. Jones Jr.!!!!!!!!!!

At the end of the day, this is all that matters. And for the record, Jones looked pretty good doing it too. Floyd at 33 is 41-0, been a champ in four divisions and is now looking to seal his legacy with a win over Pacquiao. He's already a HOF'er and I think one could make a case he's even an all-time great. He sure looks it. However, Jones at 33 was 48-1 (the DQ loss), on the verge of making his eleventh defense at LHW (his third division) and was getting set to leapfrog the next division to take on a top five contender who outweighed him by 25lbs in the ring. So comparing them now, I think Jones has a pretty solid advantage. Floyd leapfrogs him with a win over Pacquiao IMO. Or even a Martinez. As it stands, it's Roy.