ELLERBE: "Calling to ask what Floyd wants is NOT a negotiation..."

[The Big Dunn]

Let's see...Margarito is by far the biggest fighter Manny has ever faced, he is 5 inches taller at least and will outweigh Manny by about 15-20 pounds on fight night. He is a iron chinned pressure fighter with unlimited stamina who throws 100 punches a round and never stops moving forward. Margarito won 3 of the 4 major belts at welterweight, has notable wins over Sergio Martinez, Joshua Clottey and Miguel Cotto, a razor close decision loss to Paul Williams and only one clear loss in his entire career to Shane Mosley.

The fact that you are calling this fight a tuneup makes me question how much boxing you actually watch.

That has not been the margarito of late. As for now he is a disgraced ex champion who, through his own actions, raised serious doubts about his career achievements by getting caught with plaster in his hands before his last title defense, which ended in a devastating ko. He is a fighter who is 1-1 at jmw and does not deserve to fight for a title at this weight right now. Added to that, he is a also promoted by the same promoter as the main draw, which raises questions.

Not a tune up but not a legitimate fight either.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Let's see...Margarito is by far the biggest fighter Manny has ever faced, he is 5 inches taller at least and will outweigh Manny by about 15-20 pounds on fight night. He is a iron chinned pressure fighter with unlimited stamina who throws 100 punches a round and never stops moving forward. Margarito won 3 of the 4 major belts at welterweight, has notable wins over Sergio Martinez, Joshua Clottey and Miguel Cotto, a razor close decision loss to Paul Williams and only one clear loss in his entire career to Shane Mosley.

The fact that you are calling this fight a tuneup makes me question how much boxing you actually watch.

1. Paul Williams-Margarito was not close at all. Margarito lost clearly.

2. Margarito seemed a lot more defensive against Garcia then I'm used to seeing. I don't think he has an iron chin anymore, and he probably realizes that.

3. Sergio Martinez back then wasn't nearly the boxer he is now. Go rewatch that.

4. I couldn't care less about the size advantage man. Plus 150 sort of dminishes that. Still doesn't change the fact that Margarito is too slow, doesn't have a defense, chin is most likely cracked, so he ain't touching Pacquiao. Your in la la land.

[RimmyDelicious]

Yeah but that was the past bro. Bringing up a win versus Joshua Clottey (FOUR YEARS AGO) and Sergio Martinez (EONS AGO) is akin to saying Roy Jones isn't a tuneup because he beat James Toney. Unlimited stamina? He barely threw 50 punches a round in his last bout. Stop pretending he's the same guy. He's not. Actually, bookmark this page and come back after you've spent your $60 to see what you should've known prior.

Margarito is 31 or 32 years old, he isn't 40 like Roy Jones and as I said, he has only been beaten once, not 6 times in recent years like Roy. Apples and oranges dude.

Now, I am not saying that beating Margarito now is the same as beating him when he was coming off the Cotto victory. It isn't and I would never pretend it is. What I am saying is that Margarito has a legitimate case, based on his resume, as the best welterweight of the last decade. He poses matchup issues that Manny has never dealt with. He is so far from a tuneup that I can't believe I even have to argue the point, it's surreal.

[IMDAZED]

Margarito is 31 or 32 years old, he isn't 40 like Roy Jones and as I said, he has only been beaten once, not 6 times in recent years like Roy. Apples and oranges dude.

Margarito has been boxing professionally since he was about 15 and has initiated more wars than the Bush's. He hasn't impressed in two years, was disgraced and had his whole career thrown in question. Let's be real here.

Now, I am not saying that beating Margarito now is the same as beating him when he was coming off the Cotto victory. It isn't and I would never pretend it is. What I am saying is that Margarito has a legitimate case, based on his resume, as the best welterweight of the last decade. He poses matchup issues that Manny has never dealt with. He is so far from a tuneup that I can't believe I even have to argue the point, it's surreal.

I believe Margarito is the best welter of the past decade too. But he's not the same fighter. At all. And nothing shows that he's even close to elite. It would've been nice if he could've EARNED this shot but we, the fans, don't matter.

[Dynamite Kid]

Not mute, moot. Further, I did answer your question. Let me ask you this - what request did Pacquiao have that Floyd turned down? Exactly, nothing. Even a ridiculous 10m weight penalty. So there is no reason to believe he'd say no.



I disagree. I spoke to several people on here and my colleagues and we all agreed that, at best, it was a strange performance. I'm actually a fan of Margarito but I call a spade a spade. I thought he was slipping when he fought Cotto. And after that fight I remember thinking, both of these guys aren't going to be the same. Well he looked like **** against Shane. And he failed to impress against a top 50 fighter.


Yeah, all of those were big upsets. Can that happen? Sure. This is boxing, anything can happen. I think you're missing the point here.


That is irrelevant, my friend. I take Floyd to task when he needs to be taken to task. I wrote a pretty direct article about his blatant ducking of Margarito back in 2006. If it's BS, it's BS. But that's not the point here so - again - let's cut the *****/*******, hater crap out.

No you didn't, in a round about way suggested you think he would, however you only needed to say yes/no, then! give an explanation as to why, sounds to me like your trying to skirt around giving a definitive answer because you know he would reject the idea.

Let's not forget Floyd agreed to ALL of Manny's requests.


What requests? you mean requests to stop him cheating the weight, which there is actual evidence of him doing!!, not baseless claims like his OST demands? that makes sense, Mayweather has form for that kinda thing, Pac doesn't.


I'm actually a fan of Margarito but I call a spade a spade yeah? same as you have no persuasion on Pac/Mayweather one way or another? cough cough, BS!!

I'm actually a fan of Margarito but I call a spade a spade Yeah i have black friends Ha Ha.

You are just reaching with your assertions that Margarito looked particularly poor, infact anyone who went back and watched that fight with what my opinion was on the performance, and your opinion on the performance, would come to the logical conclusion that my break down of what happened is more reflective of what played out in the ring, not because im right, which i am, but because that is what happened, plus, im not trying to push some agenda.



Yeah, all of those were big upsets. Can that happen? Sure. This is boxing, anything can happen. I think you're missing the point here.


I would be wouldn't i, i just Ko'ed your point


Just seems coincidental that you seem to back him on almost every issue and discredit Pac, your a Mayweather fan, a closet Mayweather fan at least, certainly dont come across neutral the way you try and fudge these issues to make Pac look the bad guy.

[Vito Corleone]

How do you negotiate then, do you just sign a contract without asking what demands you or the opponents wants to be put in place?

Negotiate.......


: to arrange for or bring about through conference, discussion, and compromise

And mayweather's camp is saying that there was no "conference, discussion or compromise"

As of today, that's their position.

If you go to the flea market, and ask how much the antique widget is, and the guy tells you $50 and then you walk away....

Were there talks? Yes.
Was there negotiation? No

I believe that BOTH sides are playing a semantics game.

[Vito Corleone]

Your a Mayweather apologist.

A tune up? lets see Mayweather tune up against a guy like Marg, what ever you think of Marg, he beat the living day lights out of Cotto, and Cotto beat Mosley, when Mosley actually had something left, pre Floyd.

Soooo, when exactly did Shane become shot? Immediately after he knocked Margaret senseless?

[RimmyDelicious]

Margarito has been boxing professionally since he was about 15 and has initiated more wars than the Bush's. He hasn't impressed in two years, was disgraced and had his whole career thrown in question. Let's be real here.

I believe Margarito is the best welter of the past decade too. But he's not the same fighter. At all. And nothing shows that he's even close to elite. It would've been nice if he could've EARNED this shot but we, the fans, don't matter.

So you think that Margarito has fallen so far that he is a tuneup? He poses no threat, no risk and no physical or stylistic problems for Manny?

[Vito Corleone]

Margarito is a tuneup now? Floyd fans are getting more and more desperate by the day.

You mean Margaret? The guy that Floyd's last victim absolutely demolished?

The guy Floyd's last victim left a soggy mess against the ropes? That guy?

[IMDAZED]

No you didn't, in a round about way suggested you think he would, however you only needed to say yes/no, then! give an explanation as to why, sounds to me like your trying to skirt around giving a definitive answer because you know he would reject the idea.

Because it's a moot point? He's asking for testing he'd take himself. Come on, man.

What requests? you mean requests to stop him cheating the weight, which there is actual evidence of him doing!!, not baseless claims like his OST demands? that makes sense, Mayweather has form for that kinda thing, Pac doesn't.

Gloves, ring size, weight penalties. A test, by nature, is not baseless (lol wtf?). Unless you think Floyd is saying he's guilty too since he's taking the same test.

Yeah i have black friends Ha Ha.

What is your point here? Do you have to be so childish? Anyone who knows me knows I defended Margarito to no end and was a HUGE backer of his back in 2006 when he should've gotten a fight against Floyd. Grow up.

You are just reaching with your assertions that Margarito looked particularly poor, infact anyone who went back and watched that fight with what my opinion was on the performance, and your opinion on the performance, would come to the logical conclusion that my break down of what happened is more reflective of what played out in the ring, not because im right, which i am, but because that is what happened, plus, im not trying to push some agenda.

Ok suit yourself. Regardless, he hasn't had a significant win in two years. And doesn't deserve the shot. Period.

I would be wouldn't i, i just Ko'ed your point

Whatever you say, man

Just seems coincidental that you seem to back him on almost every issue and discredit Pac, your a Mayweather fan, a closet Mayweather fan at least, certainly dont come across neutral the way you try and fudge these issues to make Pac look the bad guy.

Not coincidental at all. When it comes to the Mayweather-Pacquiao issue, I believe Floyd is in the right. I'm not afraid to admit that. What you're not realizing is, when I believe Floyd is in the wrong, I'll say it too. Period. Whether you choose to believe that or not is irrelevant because - AGAIN - this is not about *******/***** or hater crap.