Williams targets Pac... wtf?

[priure_sion_08]

Floyd was doing the same pre-retirement.

Again, how can Pac ever be compared to the likes of Sam Langford or ever be put above guys that fought in the HW division that were out-weighed and smaller in height than his opponent?

all i can see is this; if pac wins against Pwill, people say he beats a dehydrated boxer. just like the oscar fight. oscar aslo became a 147 champ and he said he can still make 147. but after pacquiao beats him all of a sudden he becomes dehydrated. a dead man walking.

[Spray_resistant]

And Clottey was???

In order to get known you tend to have to be in big fights and continue to be in those big fights. If all those names that he has called out would have taken his offer, maybe his name would be bigger by name.

Either way, we know some of the details and no way can guys like Pac and Floyd ever be greater than the likes of Sam Langford in that regard. Or even respected in some manner like other guys that have stepped up to the plate and didn't care how big you were...like Holyfield didn't for example.

Its really up to Pac if he is up for such a tall order, but I think what the TS is trying to ask is how meaningful of a win is it for PWill because certainly its meaningful for Pac?

Won't Pwill have just beaten up a smaller guy than him even if he was a great fighter, like Floyd and JMM?

[Benny Leonard]

all i can see is this; if pac wins against Pwill, people say he beats a dehydrated boxer. just like the oscar fight. oscar aslo became a 147 champ and he said he can still make 147. but after pacquiao beats him all of a sudden he becomes dehydrated. a dead man walking.

So fight Paul at 154 and you don't have a problem.


No, it wasn't all of a sudden. Nobody knew Oscar was actually planing to get his weight down to an actual 147 as a walk-around weight. People speculated if he could make it, the few that said it, but actually losing weight to walk around and train at 147...crazy.
That's on Oscar though. But either way, not only wasn't this the same version that Floyd fought, even that version of Oscar wasn't in his prime. And at 147, that was a loooong time ago from the last time he looked good.

[Benny Leonard]

Its really up to Pac if he is up for such a tall order, but I think what the TS is trying to ask is how meaningful of a win is it for PWill because certainly its meaningful for Pac?

Won't Pwill have just beaten up a smaller guy than him even if he was a great fighter, like Floyd and JMM?

Like Tommy Hearns win over Duran probably. Either way, it's good for Paul because of the attention.

Didn't Lennox beat up smaller men?
Doesn't Wlad?

Didn't Jack Johnson when he out-pointed Langford?

And the list goes on and on.

In order to be the best, you fight everybody.

Again, that why the HW > than the rest. Overall, HW is King. Greatest of them all. In ancient Greece, boxing, only had 1 division that everybody, regardless of size, competed in. All they cared about is finding out who truly is the best. Now that was interesting. And that is why Langford is greater than Pac and Floyd.

[prometheuslord]

that's exactly it. pac would get credit for beating pwill (especially if he did it at 154... i think pwill would have to kill himself to make 147 now), but not the other way around. pwill is still at the stage where he's building a reputation, while oscar was looking for an easy last fight so a lot of people let him off the hook for taking what looked like an easy, high profile fight at the time.

if pwill wants an easy high profile fight for cash, he's better off chasing chavez. taking on pac would look like david vs goliath, and you know who everyone was rooting for in that old battle...

[Spray_resistant]

Like Tommy Hearns win over Duran probably. Either way, it's good for Paul because of the attention.

Didn't Lennox beat up smaller men?
Doesn't Wlad?

Didn't Jack Johnson when he out-pointed Langford?

And the list goes on and on.

In order to be the best, you fight everybody.

Again, that why the HW > than the rest. Overall, HW is King. Greatest of them all.

Sure many of those fighters beat up smaller guys, on the regular too but the way HW is run seems to be just to be a boxing flaw its not perfect so what can we do.

I personally like to see competition between fighters who walk around roughly the same weight but I guess PWill even if its not a great win for him against Pac gets what he wants which is some attention and $$$.

[Benny Leonard]

that's exactly it. pac would get credit for beating pwill (especially if he did it at 154... i think pwill would have to kill himself to make 147 now), but not the other way around. pwill is still at the stage where he's building a reputation, while oscar was looking for an easy last fight so a lot of people let him off the hook for taking what looked like an easy, high profile fight at the time.

if pwill wants an easy high profile fight for cash, he's better off chasing chavez. taking on pac would look like david vs goliath, and you know who everyone was rooting for in that old battle...

Personally, I want to see Williams vs. Martinez II.

However, from Williams stand-point, given his last outing where he just looked "off," maybe he is now feeling some of the wear and tear from tough fights and wants to ease it up a bit and collect bigger pay-checks. Preserve his body, make that money, and then go back on the trail of tougher fights with fighters more his natural size.

[STRUGG]

nothing wrong with that.........let them fight........if PWILL has something to offer besides his limited fanbase........... a title..................a great performance.......etc.........at 154 beating PWILL will **** of floyds resume for the ladt 5 yearts............

[Benny Leonard]

Sure many of those fighters beat up smaller guys, on the regular too but the way HW is run seems to be just to be a boxing flaw its not perfect so what can we do.

I personally like to see competition between fighters who walk around roughly the same weight but I guess PWill even if its not a great win for him against Pac gets what he wants which is some attention and $$$.

HW division is a throw-back division to the original division of boxing to answer the question..."who is the best of them all."
It's a more accurate depiction of what nature is truly about.

[Benny Leonard]

nothing wrong with that.........let them fight........if PWILL has something to offer besides his limited fanbase........... a title..................a great performance.......etc.........at 154 beating PWILL will **** of floyds resume for the ladt 5 yearts............

yes it would

Given Williams last performance where he looked lack-luster, Pac stands a better chance at this point than before. Now if that was just a one time thing...don't know. We'll see what happens in his next fight. Sometimes it's just a bad night. And other times, it's a telling sign that you may be on the slide.

I'm not sure it is a good idea to continue to play with your weight which is why, this fight can be passed on if Pac decides to stay at 147.