You can't have it both ways

[Cherry Picker]

I know you'd think if the guy was clean he's have no problem testing at all at any point, too bad I guess the drugs are more important to Manny.

Pacman is willing to take the tests, and Floyd still won't sign.

[The Big Dunn]

They were better fighters so yes.

Cherry in 2005 they wer not. See what I mean. You just said marg was a better fighter than zab who was the undisputed ww champ.

Pistol I see your point. But there is no way on this earth you or cherry, while you are the current undisputed ww lineal champ, would fight clottey or marg (again its 05-07) instead of moving up to fight ODH for the 154lb title.

If you really belive this then tell manny to fight mosley instead of cotto or marg at 154. Isn't that the same thing?

[pistol whip]

That was when he was initially moving up to fight ODH 2 yrs ago. You don't know if that is still the case today. C'mon man.

No they showed it when he was fighting Cotto on that 24/7 too.

[letsgobrady]

Fine. But Margarito and cotto in 2005 were not great ww's. Niether was clottey, berto williams or manny. Cotto was the best of this group at that point but he was still the jr ww champ. he had not yet fully campaigned at 147.

This is why I think you are holding floyd to an impossible standard. It;s like you are inflating the value of the guys he didn't fight. I get why you don't think he is the best and why you don't like him.

But purposely undervaluing his resume at 147?

this is what most of these people don't understand it's as if the majority of boxing fans started watchin boxing 2 years ago.when floyd 1st moved to ww the biggest names at the weight were zab and spinks not margarito not miguel cotto not paul williams not clottey not berto a matter of fact did anyone even know who paul williams and berto were around the time floyd fought zab.when did miguel cotto say he wanted to fight floyd?didn't floyd try to get a fight with cotto at 140 and arum turned it down?

it's easy to say floyd didn't fight any of them now but go back 5 years ago and tell me if everyon was askin fore a clottey-floyd fight or a williams-floyd fight,go watch the floyd judah fight and tell me after the fight does larry merchant mention clottey, williams,berto or cotto as possible opponents for mayweather.larry merchant does mention hatton,oscar and shane fighters that floyd has fought

[The Big Dunn]

You have just hit the nail on the head. Green k comin your way.

At 5 yrs 147 floyd has beaten the undisputed champ, the former undisputed champ, the consensus #1, chop chop, brussels, the undisputed lineal 140 lb champ who was moving up and went up to win a 154 lb belt.

What ww over the last 20 yrs ahs done this?

[The Big Dunn]

No they showed it when he was fighting Cotto on that 24/7 too.

ok but I think you are kinda overdoing it. He is a small ww but a ww none the less.

[letsgobrady]

They were better fighters so yes.

who is margarito better than?he aint **** and his only good win is in question

[Versatility]

Floyd wont accept the deal because of Ego problems

He wont have someone like Bob Arum trying to boss him around because he is his own boss and he totally hates Arum.

Arum is a PROVEN LIAR. Even Pacquiao fans know this, yet still will defend him. We dont even know the details of the contract, and manny hasnt even signed it yet, Why do people like assuming things?

Floyd probably finds it disrespectful that Arum put the deadline clock on the toprank website, and even the deadline alone though is disrespectful to the biggest star of the sport. Floyd really genuinely hates Bob Arum and someone like Arum trying threaten Floyd to sign a contract within a certain time certainly doesn't help at all given that he doesnt like the guy anyway.

Bob Arum wants an in house fight to happen like Pacquiao vs Margarito, so he is baiting Floyd not to accept the deal through his tactics. If this fight doesn't happen I dont blame Floyd, I dont Blame Pacquiao, I blame this old bastard called Bob Arum who is also a evil genius.

[pistol whip]

Pistol I see your point. But there is no way on this earth you or cherry, while you are the current undisputed ww lineal champ, would fight clottey or marg (again its 05-07) instead of moving up to fight ODH for the 154lb title.

I'm not saying that was wrong of him but he had plenty of time to still make those 2 fights.

[Mr Punch.]

I'm a Mayweather fan, but if he doesn't sign to fight Pacman i wouldn't defend him.