You can't have it both ways

[pistol whip]

Pistol does that really matter. It seems you are suggesting if floyd were humble, given the same resume, you might think of him differently. Are you saying that?

If you are, then there is nothing left to be said.

Actually I would think of him diffrently! I'm not one of these knownothings that thinks Floyd hasn't fought any tough compatition because he has!

Hes a sure shot HOF fighter who's beat some really "good" fighters but when you wanna call yourself the best well people like me are gonna want you to prove it. So that means "good" compatition is just not enough.

[The Big Dunn]

He has been at welter for 5 years. In that time he could have fought Margarito, Cotto, Paul Williams, Clottey, Berto and more recently Pacman. He fights Hatton and Marquez. Both smaller fighters. Sorry but that don't cut it for me.

You left out the following. Instead of marg (2 fights removed from losing to daniel santos) and Cotto he fought Zab ( ibf ww champ former lineal champ) and Baldo (lineal and undisputed ww chanp). Williams and Berto 5 years ago were not serious contenders. Instead of clottey he fought the consensus #1 ww(mosley) and fought the won the 154 title vs ODH at 154 for $30 mil. Is that resume really that bad?

Honestly, you would have chosen your path instead of floyds?

[pistol whip]

The point is pistol both fighters have excuses that seem lame.

Agreed but at this point it's obvious Pac wants the fight more!!!

[Cherry Picker]

Mayweather is a fantastic boxer, but at the end of the day you can't call yourself the greatest of all time if you can't back up your boasts. You have to fight the best guys out there and prove it. It's quite simple, even a ******ed chimp could understand that.

[The Big Dunn]

Actually I would think of him diffrently! I'm not one of these knownothings that thinks Floyd hasn't fought any tough compatition because he has!

Hes a sure shot HOF fighter who's beat some really "good" fighters but when you wanna call yourself the best well people like me are gonna want you to prove it. So that means "good" compatition is just not enough.

Fair point. It seems alot of posters only point to the last 3-5 yrs rather than the whole resume. Reviewing the whole resume I think shows floyd has got in with the best at those weights.

[The Big Dunn]

Mayweather is a fantastic boxer, but at the end of the day you can't call yourself the greatest of all time if you can't back up your boasts. You have to fight the best guys out there and prove it. It's quite simple, even a ******ed chimp could understand that.

I get your opinion liud and clear. Any chance you can respond to my last post.

[Cherry Picker]

I get your opinion liud and clear. Any chance you can respond to my last post.

I'm sorry but his resume at 147 is not wonderful. Not when you call yourself the greatest. Floyd was a fantastic boxer at the lower weights and i give him a lot of credit. Not at 147 i don't. The division has been stacked with talent in the time Floyd has been in it.

[The Big Dunn]

Agreed but at this point it's obvious Pac wants the fight more!!!

pistol you may be right. Manny may want it more but IMO its because he can earn 3x his biggest payday to date. Its not because he wants to prove himself against the best.

[pistol whip]

Fair point. It seems alot of posters only point to the last 3-5 yrs rather than the whole resume. Reviewing the whole resume I think shows floyd has got in with the best at those weights.

Genero Hernandez and Diego Corrales are not wins that I think make you the best all time. Quality wins yes but make you the best all time no!

[The Big Dunn]

I'm sorry but his resume at 147 is not wonderful. Not when you call yourself the greatest. Floyd was a fantastic boxer at the lower weights and i give him a lot of credit. Not at 147 i don't. The division has been stacked with talent in the time Floyd has been in it.

Fine. But Margarito and cotto in 2005 were not great ww's. Niether was clottey, berto williams or manny. Cotto was the best of this group at that point but he was still the jr ww champ. he had not yet fully campaigned at 147.

This is why I think you are holding floyd to an impossible standard. It;s like you are inflating the value of the guys he didn't fight. I get why you don't think he is the best and why you don't like him.

But purposely undervaluing his resume at 147?