Team Pac is full if it!

[ADP02]

What you do not realize is that Arum has already experienced negotiations that have gone sour and then was left with no fight to be made. So with experience he realizes that he needs plan A, B, C ...

This is not something new .... it's a business for these guys.

Now, you add that they tried to negotiate with Floyd last year and then needed to scramble to get a fight and was left with Clottey. There were other times as well such as when Floyd was supposed to fight Margo and pulled out of that one too.

Plus it's quite possible that the negotiations had stalled at times or that the terms appeared too far to seem that it was possible to even get a deal. We just don't know all the facts/details.

As for total disrespect, what do you call someone who accuses another of using PEDs but has no proof to substantiate that claim AND then turns the other cheek and says, do you still want to fight me after I accused you like that?

[damned1974]

NO fight would be marginally close to making him the amount of money Floyd would and beating Floyd would boost his popularity even more.

It doesnt make sense why he would send a bogus contract, otherwise it would be shot down immediatly and GBP would be ripping the **** out out Arum. Plus he doesnt send the contract straight to Floyd, he sends it to his promoter and if its not the terms they agreed on, then theres no way it even reaches Floyd.

It does make sense if he sent a b.s. contract and is now speaking to the media.Perhaps GBP hasn't said anything because they want to make a counter offer,in which they would have to honour the gag order...

Also,Arum was the one talking about a May 2011 date. He could keep it "in-house" and fight Margarito and Cotto before ditching him to fight Floyd,thus milking Manny for every penny he can make from him.

One thing that doesn't add up though is,with Oscar, Hatton and Cotto-all of these fights were called off at various stages,but you rarely heard about different options being presented DURING negotiations when they got tough (or just started for that matter!).

[damned1974]

What you do not realize is that Arum has already experienced negotiations that have gone sour and then was left with no fight to be made. So with experience he realizes that he needs plan A, B, C ...

This is not something new .... it's a business for these guys.

Now, you add that they tried to negotiate with Floyd last year and then needed to scramble to get a fight and was left with Clottey. There were other times as well such as when Floyd was supposed to fight Margo and pulled out of that one too.

Plus it's quite possible that the negotiations had stalled at times or that the terms appeared too far to seem that it was possible to even get a deal. We just don't know all the facts/details.

As for total disrespect, what do you call someone who accuses another of using PEDs but has no proof to substantiate that claim AND then turns the other cheek and says, do you still want to fight me after I accused you like that?

Was Arum and Manny looking for options "A, B, and C" when the fights were called off at various stages with Oscar, Hatton and Cotto???

Why do you think he didn't look for other options back then? Kinda interesting.Are we really sure Arum is ready to give up his "money-maker" yet?

[Russian Crushin]

It does make sense if he sent a b.s. contract and is now speaking to the media.Perhaps GBP hasn't said anything because they want to make a counter offer,in which they would have to honour the gag order...

Also,Arum was the one talking about a May 2011 date. He could keep it "in-house" and fight Margarito and Cotto before ditching him to fight Floyd,thus milking Manny for every penny he can make from him.

One thing that doesn't add up though is,with Oscar, Hatton and Cotto-all of these fights were called off at various stages,but you rarely heard about different options being presented DURING negotiations when they got tough (or just started for that matter!).

The negotiations are over so there is no gag order and terms are agreed upon.

Im not sure what this "counter gag order" thing your talking about is.

But negotiations are 2 promoters sending contracts to eachother hoping for them to accept.

Its talking on the phone, face to face and etc.

The only time there even is a contract is after both sides have agree on something and need to make it official with a signature

Plus All arum said was that if he doesnt accept its because he doesnt want the fight in Nov but may want it in 2011. Makes sense to me

[damned1974]

The negotiations are over so there is no gag order and terms are agreed upon.

Im not sure what this "counter gag order" thing your talking about is.

But negotiations are 2 promoters sending contracts to eachother hoping for them to accept.

Its talking on the phone, face to face and etc.

The only time there even is a contract is after both sides have agree on something and need to make it official with a signature

Plus All arum said was that if he doesnt accept its because he doesnt want the fight in Nov but may want it in 2011. Makes sense to me

Negotiations are over??? Says who? We have only heard from ONE source.Now perhaps it will turn out that they are indeed over,but I won't take Bob Arum's word for it...don't know why you do.

Don't you find it odd that if both parties supposedly accepted the terms and conditions that were given in negotiations,that Arum would immediately look for options and say thing like "we can make the fight next year",etc if he sent a deal that he was confident in?

It doesn't surprise me that he isn't confident in the deal getting signed if he sent an offer that he knows Floyd may be opposed to.

BTW-a "counter-offer" is when the offer is rejected and a new offer is used to replace the old one,in the event of more requests (such as a higher percentage of purse split,percentages,etc etc) or if the other party views the initial offer to be unjust...

[Russian Crushin]

Was Arum and Manny looking for options "A, B, and C" when the fights were called off at various stages with Oscar, Hatton and Cotto???

Why do you think he didn't look for other options back then? Kinda interesting.Are we really sure Arum is ready to give up his "money-maker" yet?

Did he have a PPV date lined up?

Same thing happened in January.

They were negotiating and with less then 2 months until his March 13 PPV date Pac couldnt wait anymore and needed to find another opponent.

What do you want Pac to do? Wait as long as possible for Floyd and not have an opponent lined up incase floyd says no?

And how is he giving up his money maker? Pac will still get huge crowds and money with a loss

[QADASHBANYAH1]

Please tell me exactly what the mediator said

You are a grown man, sitting here trying to debate without teh facts!!! Thats a damn shame!!!

Why open your mouth and then admit you dont even know what the mediation was about??? You are a member of this site just as I am.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24552

On this very site you will see the title when you click the link.

You need to do your own research and then come back as no one is here to research for you. You guys are a trip.

Arum lied about many things .. He lied saying that the 14 days was put on the table after the mediation etc. read the link above

but lo and behold... look at what I have here!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/01/08/pacquiao.clottey/index.html#ixzz0cX59bVSI

Schaefer told SI.com on Friday that he believed Pacquiao was never told of the 14 day offer. He referred to an Internet report where Pacquiao and his representatives denied that Mayweather had offered to reduce the testing window to 14 days before the fight. Schaefer said he had text messages between Golden Boy's Chief Marketing Officer Bruce Binkow and Top Rank President Todd DuBoef during this week's mediation discussing the 14-day window.

Arum, however, says Pacquiao has known about the 14 days since Jan. 1 and said he had an email exchange between DuBoef and Pacquiao's advisor, Michael Koncz, that prove that Pacquiao had received the offer and rejected it.

"That offer was rejected a long time ago," said Arum. "It was off the table. They are just trying to get under Manny's skin. It serves no purpose than to aggravate Manny Pacquiao."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/01/04/pacquiao.mayweather.mediation/index.html

in this story you will see that this article was posted on january 4

now in the link rior you should see that arum stated that manny knew and rejected that offer starting january 1.

So keep it real arum lied, if you were so damn biased, you wouldnt be even arguing now.

[damned1974]

Did he have a PPV date lined up?

Same thing happened in January.

They were negotiating and with less then 2 months until his March 13 PPV date Pac couldnt wait anymore and needed to find another opponent.

What do you want Pac to do? Wait as long as possible for Floyd and not have an opponent lined up incase floyd says no?

And how is he giving up his money maker? Pac will still get huge crowds and money with a loss

Add the highlighted point with the fact that Pac's coach was not wanting to fight Floyd in March because he felt it was not enough time to train Manny on how to fight Floyd...you will have the answer for who ducked who in the first place.

To further add to this,they made 1 million excuses and phobias regarding OST, and were looking for opponents DURING negotiations....the writing is on the wall,do you need glasses?

[Russian Crushin]

Negotiations are over??? Says who? We have only heard from ONE source.Now perhaps it will turn out that they are indeed over,but I won't take Bob Arum's word for it...don't know why you do.

Don't you find it odd that if both parties supposedly accepted the terms and conditions that were given in negotiations,that Arum would immediately look for options and say thing like "we can make the fight next year",etc if he sent a deal that he was confident in?
It doesn't surprise me that he isn't confident in the deal getting signed if he sent an offer that he knows Floyd may be opposed to.

BTW-a "counter-offer" is when the offer is rejected and a new offer is used to replace the old one,in the event of more requests (such as a higher percentage of purse split,percentages,etc etc) or if the other party views the initial offer to be unjust...

Dude stop coming up with conspiracy theories and follow whats happening.

Arum does the negotiations and if he says they are over, they are over. i mean its just such a ****** thing to lie about.

Arum said the only thing not agreed upon is the date and thats what will drown the fight.

PLus a contract is drawn up AFTER the negotiations are done.

I just dont understand how people think he sent a bad contract. If he did Floyd will tell the whole world and prove its Arums Fault for why the fights not made.

I dont understand how people can blame Arum when GBP and Floyd should be saying something right NOW themsleves

[QADASHBANYAH1]

What you do not realize is that Arum has already experienced negotiations that have gone sour and then was left with no fight to be made. So with experience he realizes that he needs plan A, B, C ...

This is not something new .... it's a business for these guys.

Now, you add that they tried to negotiate with Floyd last year and then needed to scramble to get a fight and was left with Clottey. There were other times as well such as when Floyd was supposed to fight Margo and pulled out of that one too.

Plus it's quite possible that the negotiations had stalled at times or that the terms appeared too far to seem that it was possible to even get a deal. We just don't know all the facts/details.

As for total disrespect, what do you call someone who accuses another of using PEDs but has no proof to substantiate that claim AND then turns the other cheek and says, do you still want to fight me after I accused you like that?

what fight was he left at the negotiation table? I mean honestly dont say mayweather as he (arum) left floyd there. Remember once again arum had clottey lined up. (his promoted fighter)

Plus he owns a stable of fighters!!!!

HE PROMOTES COTTO, MARGARITO, ETC. He could easily make these fights as they are his fighters.

SIMPLE.

Floyd has no in house fighters, why do you think people was saying he had no choice but to fight mosley after the haiti earthquake incident?

Kill all that noise you talking, as you are sounding as if you have no knowledge.