BERNABE CONCEPTION= Manny Pacquiao w/o Special Blended “Power Shakes”??

[LeeVanCleef]

Freddie Roach refused to train Bernabe because Bernabe has no future. He's a Buboy Fernandez material.

Ouch. That must be hard for Concepcion.

[pasawayako]

did i say he fights like manny? NO. i said he moves just like manny. he moves alot more like manny than forbes does floyd.

and why are you responding to me, anyways? put me on ignore already

lol. have u seen any pac fans putting *****s on ignore? Only *****s are doing that kind of gay things.

[arum_aka_T]

If Conception was like Pac, so how come I didn't see any punch combinations in there? Isn't Pac well known for his combinations? Yeah this forum has gotten to craphole.

I agree with you that this thread is really going nowhere.

Concepcion is like pac coz it's evident he wanted to imitate pac in everything.(Even up to the shoes and hair!)
But it's like a novice wanna be on an audition imitating a great and accomplished actor, trying to be like his idol. Since he is just a rookie he don;t have all the experience incorporating his idol's style. He imitates with look, the mannerisms, the "side burners" and accent but because he lacks the overall attributes that is natural for that great actor,(which makes him great and makes him win an Oscar 7x in a row) the novice still fails thus failing the part. Like in american idol, everybody wanna imitate taylor hicks (after he won) with the looks but they failed because they can't sing well.

That is something that the TS should realize. It is even ridiculous to compare bernabe to pac, given the skills, accomplishment, and natural prowess that pac has and bernabe does not. And bernabe is ortho, pac is southpaw, therefore that is 2 different approaches for an opponent facing either of them in a ring. It is not right to say bernabe really "exposed" a flaw on pac when he is on an orthodox style. That alone is the big difference, strategically speaking.

[RiceUnivAlumni]

horus should be banned with these serious accusations without proof

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

what a stuppid ****ing thread horus.

even more idiotic than the luxury boat is an investment thread.

[Canelo Phresh]

oh god this thread is real

[Mayabang]

oh god this thread is real

"What is 'real'? How do you define 'real'?"

[BABYBOXER]

BERNABE CONCEPTION = Manny Pacquiao w/o Special Blended “Power Shakes”??

Ok guys I know hate will come by me making this comparison, but come on the similarities are there. Both worked with Roach, both from the Philippines, Both used the same kind of foot work, and neither of get confuse for a defensive specialist.

Just rewatching the Juan Ma fight had me thinking of the old analogy that goes
“It is always easy to teach Offense rather than Defense. Fundamentally, It requires less work, and the results are much faster."

This is why Fighters improve so rapidly with Freddie Roach is such a short period of time.
(JCC jr., Khan, Bernabe, and the list goes on)

Because the focus is primarly on offense and not defense. And obviously these fighters want quick results, and they are paying Roach for instant results.

However as we saw on Saturday night, The downfall of not having a Fundamental defensive foundation as a boxer is when you fight a fighter who’s offense can match your offense and who defense is good enough to survive your offense. You find yourself defenseless and helpless.

IMO, BERNABE CONCEPTION did not do anything against Juan Ma that he hasn’t done before, and Juan Ma did not do anything that Conception hasn’t seen before. The problem for Conception was Juan Ma had more fundamentals to his arsenal than Bernabe, AND Juan Ma “TIMED” Bernabe perfectly. Bernabe punches came wide, Juan Ma punches were short.

As I watch this fight I kept getting reminded of Pacquiao’s style and what gave him trouble. Morales,JMM, and Cotto Style when they boxed gave Pacquiao fits. WHY???
Because their punches were short, straight, and perfectly timed. ALA, JUAN MA v.s CONCEPTION
With that said, Share your thoughts.

DO YOU GUYS THINK BERNABE PERFORMANCE ON SATURDAY AGAINST JUAN MA, PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON THE FLAWS OF PACQUIAO’S OFFENSE?

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i may agree with some of your observations but comparing bernabe with manny having the same style...nah..'totally disagree..but i respect your opinion, perhaps we're looking at different angles.

[neoz]

TS is a tool. Did you even watch the fight properly.
WTF does drugs got to do with it.
Concepion has a poor chin that why he lost.
If Concepion had a decent Chin Lopez would of been KTFO.

[warp1432]

I disagree with you in some aspects Horus. While I agree with the overall fundalmentals, Pacquiao and even Khan have improved their defense in Roach. I actually would say Pacquiao's is pretty good. He's no defense master, but he moves side to side just at the right time and has a solid "turtle defense"

He gets blasted with the occasional shot, but he has the chin to make up for it well.

Khan's defense has also improved and he paces himself better then he did a couple of fights ago. I think Freddie Roach's real strong aspect of training is working on fighter's certain aspects and really making them shine. He brings out their offense.

Compare that to, say, Emmanuel Steward. He always produces the same type of fighter. Jab, boxes well from the outside, but normally can't fight well at the inside at all.

If anything I hate about this whole steroid saga is that it takes away from a lot of people's things they tend to do well. Like Roach. While Manny should take the test, a lot of people have taken away from Roach's teaching ability and just blame it on roids.