Comments Thread For: Roger Mayweather's Trial May Sideline Pacquiao Fight?

[fdotorres]

LOL @ you for not reading. Where did Floyd say ANYTHING in the article?

actions speak louder than words kiddo. he hasn't signed the contract for a reason

lol @ you for not knowing that floydie has a quack quack history in WW until very recently

[fdotorres]

Keep in mind this is Arum making a sympathetic observation on Floyds behalf. (Crazy I know.) Only thing we have heard directly from the Mayweather camp is they were not negotiating right now. So lets not jump to conclusions and wait to see what happens after we hear from all parties involved. Then we can blame , praise or whatever.

according to GBP, the fight WAS being negotiated. according to top rank, the negotiations ended and a final contract was signed, sent to GBP and waiting for floyds signature

if top rank were the only ones talking, then i'd take it with a grain of salt, but both parties confirmed that negotiations were in fact happening

[check hook]

the list of excuses for floyd to duck pac grows everyday

yes they are.........and i find it amusing that all these excuses as are coming from Arum's mouth....Floyd's side hasn't said a word. Floyd not wanting it in Nov, Floyd needing to sign to "agreed" terms, Floyd not wanting to fight without Roger, Floyd this Floyd that-----> it's all coming from ARUM.

[Calilloyd]

Bigsby;8770740]so you think oscar after floyd sr. got to him was a better fighter than before sr. got to him? [/B]

oscar was 29 & had 30 plus fights. was there such a drastic change in oscar's style & results vs high caliber opponents because of sr.?

what did oscar do with sr? beat mayorga, vargas, rob strum, lose to bernard, & beat a old man in campas? grand stage my ass.

so you dont think training a fighter who didnt win anything before you got there into training him to win championships & prominence is a mark of great trainer?


why is floyd sr. not in the IBHOF as a trainer or a fighter?

who come floyd sr. has not trained a fighter into prominence?

how come floyd sr. did not train floyd jr. into title fights?



Who do you think trained Floyd for Genaro Hernadez? Manfredy and the others?


how come he was using orthodox style on the pads with ricky when ricky was facing a southpaw in pac?


so if you dont want to judge sr. skills as a trainer by my one criteria of training a unknown into prominence, how should we gauge sr. as a trainer?

More complete fighter? Yes. More right hands and more combination punching. In which fight did Oscar fight better? The first fight with Mosley or the second? He clearly lost the first one as far as I'm concerned. And in case you forgot, Mayweather sr is the one that groomed Mayweather jr into what he became. Starting at a very young age. Roger didn't completely take over until after Mayweather was already a world champ. So you're contradicting yourself with this argument.

[switchsouthpaw]

The first part of your post is pure conjecture and a little silly - especially since Floyd Sr taught Floyd Jr how to box .

Second, you're saying he looked more complete with Manny? You mean the 12 rounds he went with old ass Hector Camacho or the two he went with David Kamau?

His son happens to also be preternaturally gifted. Michael Jordan would have been Michael Jordan with or without his high school basketball coach. My point stands, who else has Floyd Sr managed to bring to the forefront of the sport?

Robert Alcazar also did a great job bringing out many of the attributes Oscar possessed. I'm saying early on those trainers worked on completing the product, where as Floyd brought defense to the table but still never got Oscar to master it, although Oscar was competent enough, that isn't a slight on Floyd Sr, as much as it is Oscar, which I've alluded to in my previous posts.

[Evil Abed]

yes they are.........and i find it amusing that all these excuses as are coming from Arum's mouth.

A hilarious irony.

[Jack Napier]

fight not happening
Roger situation won't make or break it

[switchsouthpaw]

Yeah except you're talking about a gap of five years. WTF?

You mean the same 5 years that Floyd has been at welterweight?

[IMDAZED]

so you think oscar after floyd sr. got to him was a better fighter than before sr. got to him?

Oh absolutely. He had slowed down some - which hurt more than anything - but became a much more well rounded fighter.

oscar was 29 & had 30 plus fights. was there such a drastic change in oscar's style & results vs high caliber opponents because of sr.?

Actually, there was. The problem with Oscar throughout much of his prime was that he switched trainers so much, he really had no style. And he was all left hand. The results may not have been there but this is where the keener eye - and not the boxrec hero - can recall and tell what the differences were. There's no question Oscar would've looked much different if Floyd Sr had joined the fray earlier--as opposed to Oscar Suarez.

what did oscar do with sr? beat mayorga, vargas, rob strum, lose to bernard, & beat a old man in campas? grand stage my ass.

See my post above. Oscar was coming off a loss to Shane and a strange bout against Coley where he was actually hurt momentarily. In both bouts he fought like a slugger with no clue. Some perspective, my friend.

so you dont think training a fighter who didnt win anything before you got there into training him to win championships & prominence is a mark of great trainer?

No, what I'm saying is that you don't need to do that in order to be a great trainer.

why is floyd sr. not in the IBHOF as a trainer or a fighter?

Accolades are nice but there's no doubt Floyd Sr has the respect of his peers. And that is quite telling. Other than his verbal joust with Roach many trainers and fighters speak fondly of him, from oscar down to ****m Richardson. It works both ways.

who come floyd sr. has not trained a fighter into prominence?


how come floyd sr. did not train floyd jr. into title fights?

These are redundant. See above.

how come he was using orthodox style on the pads with ricky when ricky was facing a southpaw in pac?

Probably because it was pads, not sparring? WTF?

so if you dont want to judge sr. skills as a trainer by my one criteria of training a unknown into prominence, how should we gauge sr. as a trainer?

Your criteria is one way. Boxing is not one dimensional.

Clear enough for you?

[jbpanama]

I really wouldn't consider what Arum is doing right now as promoting.

I would call it more as annoying than anything else.

But, hey that is just me.

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