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according to GBP, the fight WAS being negotiated. according to top rank, the negotiations ended and a final contract was signed, sent to GBP and waiting for floyds signature
if top rank were the only ones talking, then i'd take it with a grain of salt, but both parties confirmed that negotiations were in fact happeningComment
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yes they are.........and i find it amusing that all these excuses as are coming from Arum's mouth....Floyd's side hasn't said a word. Floyd not wanting it in Nov, Floyd needing to sign to "agreed" terms, Floyd not wanting to fight without Roger, Floyd this Floyd that-----> it's all coming from ARUM.Comment
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More complete fighter? Yes. More right hands and more combination punching. In which fight did Oscar fight better? The first fight with Mosley or the second? He clearly lost the first one as far as I'm concerned. And in case you forgot, Mayweather sr is the one that groomed Mayweather jr into what he became. Starting at a very young age. Roger didn't completely take over until after Mayweather was already a world champ. So you're contradicting yourself with this argument.Originally posted by Clayton [BLast edited by Calilloyd; 07-06-2010, 10:15 PM.Comment
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His son happens to also be preternaturally gifted. Michael Jordan would have been Michael Jordan with or without his high school basketball coach. My point stands, who else has Floyd Sr managed to bring to the forefront of the sport?The first part of your post is pure conjecture and a little silly - especially since Floyd Sr taught Floyd Jr how to box
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Second, you're saying he looked more complete with Manny? You mean the 12 rounds he went with old ass Hector Camacho or the two he went with David Kamau?
Robert Alcazar also did a great job bringing out many of the attributes Oscar possessed. I'm saying early on those trainers worked on completing the product, where as Floyd brought defense to the table but still never got Oscar to master it, although Oscar was competent enough, that isn't a slight on Floyd Sr, as much as it is Oscar, which I've alluded to in my previous posts.Last edited by switchsouthpaw; 07-06-2010, 10:15 PM.Comment
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fight not happening
Roger situation won't make or break itComment
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Oh absolutely. He had slowed down some - which hurt more than anything - but became a much more well rounded fighter.
Actually, there was. The problem with Oscar throughout much of his prime was that he switched trainers so much, he really had no style. And he was all left hand. The results may not have been there but this is where the keener eye - and not the boxrec hero - can recall and tell what the differences were. There's no question Oscar would've looked much different if Floyd Sr had joined the fray earlier--as opposed to Oscar Suarez.oscar was 29 & had 30 plus fights. was there such a drastic change in oscar's style & results vs high caliber opponents because of sr.?
See my post above. Oscar was coming off a loss to Shane and a strange bout against Coley where he was actually hurt momentarily. In both bouts he fought like a slugger with no clue. Some perspective, my friend.what did oscar do with sr? beat mayorga, vargas, rob strum, lose to bernard, & beat a old man in campas? grand stage my ass.
No, what I'm saying is that you don't need to do that in order to be a great trainer.so you dont think training a fighter who didnt win anything before you got there into training him to win championships & prominence is a mark of great trainer?
Accolades are nice but there's no doubt Floyd Sr has the respect of his peers. And that is quite telling. Other than his verbal joust with Roach many trainers and fighters speak fondly of him, from oscar down to ****m Richardson. It works both ways.why is floyd sr. not in the IBHOF as a trainer or a fighter?
These are redundant. See above.who come floyd sr. has not trained a fighter into prominence?
how come floyd sr. did not train floyd jr. into title fights?
Probably because it was pads, not sparring? WTF?how come he was using orthodox style on the pads with ricky when ricky was facing a southpaw in pac?
Your criteria is one way. Boxing is not one dimensional.so if you dont want to judge sr. skills as a trainer by my one criteria of training a unknown into prominence, how should we gauge sr. as a trainer?
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