Comments Thread For: Roger Mayweather's Trial May Sideline Pacquiao Fight?

[Evil Abed]

The great post form an alt.

lol.

We got some real boxing geniuses on this site.

Give this alt his on website he has potential.

[IMDAZED]

How did you get in green so quick? Just last night you were in red.

There are a few good guys on this site

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Oh absolutely. He had slowed down some - which hurt more than anything - but became a much more well rounded fighter.


Actually, there was. The problem with Oscar throughout much of his prime was that he switched trainers so much, he really had no style. And he was all left hand. The results may not have been there but this is where the keener eye - and not the boxrec hero - can recall and tell what the differences were. There's no question Oscar would've looked much different if Floyd Sr had joined the fray earlier--as opposed to Oscar Suarez.


See my post above. Oscar was coming off a loss to Shane and a strange bout against Coley where he was actually hurt momentarily. In both bouts he fought like a slugger with no clue. Some perspective, my friend.


No, what I'm saying is that you don't need to do that in order to be a great trainer.

Accolades are nice but there's no doubt Floyd Sr has the respect of his peers. And that is quite telling. Other than his verbal joust with Roach many trainers and fighters speak fondly of him, from oscar down to ****m Richardson. It works both ways.

These are redundant. See above.


Probably because it was pads, not sparring? WTF?

Your criteria is one way. Boxing is not one dimensional.

Clear enough for you?

you act as if oscar started fighting like floyd jr. & started getting results vs elite competition like floyd jr. floyd sr.'s imprints on oscar game & the results were not that pronounced. sr. training ricky using orthodox was mentioned by a couple of british boxing analysts. even lee beard mentioned how he had to work with ricky on the pads using southpaw stance after sr. left.

i told you my reasons why i dont think sr. is a great trainer. it was more than one criteria. you have not stated anything other than disagreeing with my post.

[IMDAZED]

Oscar also said that about many of his other coaches. Normally after he was criticized by writers for constantly changing coaches and not taking responsibility for some of his losses and controversial wins.

The only difference is that, in Floyd's case, Oscar's actions spoke louder than his words and backed them up. They were together for years. And had it not been for Floyd Jr, probably till the end of his career. Simple, really.

[IMDAZED]

you act as if oscar started fighting like floyd jr. & started getting results vs elite competition like floyd jr. floyd sr.'s imprints on oscar game & the results were not that pronounced. sr. training ricky using orthodox was mentioned by a couple of british boxing analysts. even lee beard mentioned how he had to work with ricky on the pads using southpaw stance after sr. left.

i told you my reasons why i dont think sr. is a great trainer. it was more than one criteria. you have not stated anything other than disagreeing with my post.

I'm not acting. Just responding to your posts. I think we're done here.

[edgarg]

You said Oscar was a finished product. And I pointed out to you several things, that's all. You can acknowledge it or continue to with your dogged ignorance. The notion that you need to take a fighter from unknown into prominence in order to be a great trainer is just ******. How many fighters stick with one guy that long? And, with all due respect, Oscar was more singer than he was boxer when Floyd Sr joined the fray. While he was still a mega star, he had looked less than stellar in the ring and had been usurped by the likes of Felix Trinidad by the time Floyd Sr rolled around. It's no coincidence that his return to the grand stage came when Floyd Sr instructed him prior to round 10 of his bout against Fernando Vargas to run the combinations up the middle and finish with the hook. "Duh duh duh duh." We laughed at his words for months, man. But Oscar it led to the dramatic TKO and he and Floyd Sr never looked back. In fact, if Oscar hadn't decided to fight Floyd Jr, they would probably still be together.

NO- they split up because Oscar was fighting someone and expecting to gross a large amount of cash, Maybe Mosley, I just can't recall, something like $20 mill. And there was a lot of talk from both Mayweeather and Oscar as to whether Oscar would pay him 10% because it came to $2 million. Oscar was complaining about paying him so much, and mMayweather insisted on the usual percentage. Oscar wouldn't pay it so that was that....

[Evil Abed]

There are a few good guys on this site

A true veteran of NSB.

[switchsouthpaw]

Please show how they are relevant.

Which comments specifically? As I'm responding to specific points you're making. I will be more than happy to make the case for any comment I post, just cite one or many that you find to be disagreeable.

Also it's late and I'm going on 4 hours sleep, not at all interested in having a heated back and forth on this topic, it's been done all to often, so let's keep this civil for the most part.

[IMDAZED]

NO- they split up because Oscar was fighting someone and expecting to gross a large amount of cash, Maybe Mosley, I just can't recall, something like $20 mill. And there was a lot of talk from both Mayweeather and Oscar as to whether Oscar would pay him 10% because it came to $2 million. Oscar was complaining about paying him so much, and mMayweather insisted on the usual percentage. Oscar wouldn't pay it so that was that....

Now why would you come in and try to correct me when you're so right but so wrong?

He was going to fight...FLOYD JUNIOR.

[IMDAZED]

Which comments specifically? As I'm responding to specific points you're making. I will be more than happy to make the case for any comment I post, just cite one or many that you find to be disagreeable.

Also it's late and I'm going on 4 hours sleep, not at all interested in having a heated back and forth on this topic, it's been done all to often, so let's keep this civil for the most part.

Go back and read. I'm not going to do your work for you. You brought up Floyd Jr and his fans (out of the ****ing blue) and swore it was relevant now you don't remember? Child, please.