Andre Ward Speaking about Victor Conte and Steroid Testing

[AFighter4U]

There is no doubt in my mind that PEDS help athletes, even boxers in their preparation for a fight.

But the question is, to what degree does it help and how should it be applied to give the maximum benefit?

Would one week of training with PEDS be enough? Two? Three?

And WHEN should it be taken? A week before the fight? Two? Or should it be taken MONTHS before the fight?

And what are the side effects of taking PEDS? I heard or read somewhere (can't quite remember so i can't say this is FACT) that side effects are: irritability, loss of hair, significant weight gain, BRITTLE BONES, etc.

The sad fact is that since there wasn't any serious scientific study made to make any definite conclusions about PED usage, there are just so many things about it that is mere conjecture and assumptions.

It basically means EVERY BOXER is suspect, even Floyd jr., since according to Victor Conte of BALCO, even the overly-hyped olympic style random blood tests are totally useless in detecting illegal drug use. (i remember Conte actually saying that "You have to be ****** to be caught.") That's how badly he considers ANY of the current testing standards.

For all we know, Floyd jr. could be banking on the fact that he KNOWS HOW TO CHEAT THE VERY TESTS HE'S PROMOTING.

I'm not saying that he is mind you, i'm simply pointing out the current situation where EVERYONE claims to be an expert and because there is just so many unanswered questions, ANYTHING can happen and EVERYONE can be assumed to be cheating.

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did burner just come in here with all his ALTs?!?!

[Bhopreign]

I think it's hilarious that people here are naive enough to believe there is a drug test out there that will clean up the sport.

Floyd Landis admittedly beating WADA style drug testing during and outside of competition for years before being caught. He admitted to taking EPO boosters along with synthetic hormones... for years... and was beating those ****** blood and urine tests every single time.

If there is a new test, there will be a new way to beat it.

When there is a 100% unbeatable test, let me know.

Until then asking fighters to give up their privacy and invest money into a testing system that only makes cheating more inconvenient is pretty ******.

Im not inclined to believe Landis when he says he was taking most of his career, I somewhat believe he only said that to make them think he had been beating tests and that since he got caught it by saying he had been taking most of his career he was trying to make them look closer at other guys. I mean what other race did he win before 2006, the year he got caught, I dont think he used them many years before he got caught if he did it didnt propel him to win any significant races.

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Wait... are people here really questioning whether performance-enhancing drugs that increase stamina, strength and muscle recovery might significantly improve a boxer's training and performance??? Like, if two versions of the same fighter met in the ring-- one who had used PEDs like EPO throughout camp and one who hadn't, you really don't think the one who used PEDs would have a significant physical advantage over the other? That's either nonsensical or dishonest trolling.

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on point!!!!!

[Guest]

did burner just come in here with all his ALTs?!?!

How many does he have?

I know they thought you and I were the same.... LOL.

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How many does he have?

I know they thought you and I were the same.... LOL.

i know... would anyone really be that desperate to have an ALT with 11,000+ posts?!?!?!

as for burner, hell man, who knows....

im just glad to be done working.... clocked 42 hours in 3 days!!!

[Hitman932]

Im not inclined to believe Landis when he says he was taking most of his career, I somewhat believe he only said that to make them think he had been beating tests and that since he got caught it by saying he had been taking most of his career he was trying to make them look closer at other guys. I mean what other race did he win before 2006, the year he got caught, I dont think he used them many years before he got caught if he did it didnt propel him to win any significant races.

He didn't win any significant races because everyone else was abusing too.

The year he won there were many notable names missing from the field.

Any way that you cut it many cyclists were beating these blood-urine tests for years and doing it everytime. In fact cycling was probably the dirtiest sport in the world despite having the most stringent testing.

Pretending that these tests will clean up boxing is a joke, and the only thing worse than insisting they are a necessity is the fact that fans will gladly drag the name of a fighter like Andre Ward through the mud over an issue they really know nothing about.

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a) so your muscles wont fatigue, but they will?!?!?!

b) false, EPO will not make you train harder, both JT and Zab have stamina issues because they have poor conditioning habits and their heart/mind can be questioned... EPO will not change their dedication and heart... and w/o that it wont matter at all

wow.....just WOW!!! I am in awe of the ******ity in this post. Well done. Do you even understand how PED's work, and why they are beneficial?

How did Soviet bloc weightlifters out lift the American's when steroids were first discovered and first used? Was it because all of the Soviet athletes had more heart and dedication??? No dummy......it's because they could train harder and more often because their muscles recovered more quickly......due to the STEROIDS!!!!!!!



again...just WOW at this post. Dumbest **** ever!!!

[Pullcounter]

How exactly do you overrate steroids? If it can turn a guy who hits 18 homers into a guy who hits 50? A guy who hits 40 into one who hits 70? So what do you think it can do for a boxer?

Ur comparing 2 different sports... its like apples n oranges. So far, as we know it, steroids has never turned an average boxer into a dynamo. Vargas used roids, but still got stopped by dlh. Shane used roids, but had a worst performance against dlh when he did. We don't have one case where roids turned an average boxer into a great boxer.

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wow.....just WOW!!! I am in awe of the ******ity in this post. Well done. Do you even understand how PED's work, and why they are beneficial?

How did Soviet bloc weightlifters out lift the American's when steroids were first discovered and first used? Was it because all of the Soviet athletes had more heart and dedication??? No dummy......it's because they could train harder and more often because their muscles recovered more quickly......due to the STEROIDS!!!!!!!



again...just WOW at this post. Dumbest **** ever!!!

so even though JT's heart isnt in it, and he doesnt train as hard as he should, which he admits... if he used EPO, he'd have won a lot more fights???

someone that mentally weak would probably even train LESS knowing they had the EPO, because all along while slacking he thought it would be enough

but you call my posts dumb??



i could say more for Zab as well, but you'll get the point, take your time