Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Likes The Idea of a Cotto Revenge Rematch

[Mr.Smith]

What is appalling is hearing why you guys complain of CATCHWEIGHT fights. This has been going on for a long time. CATCHWEIGHTS are mutual agreements within the range of the weight level.

For one thing Manny Pacquiao has to do many things just to maintain his weight level and that meant it isn't his natural weight. When we went up 7 weight divisions, his weight is being "forced" to go up with it in his natural walking weight but it isn't natural.

Perfect example is his regiments and training that he needs to eat 5 meals a day just to hold the weight. His height and weight isn't a natural and there's nothing for him to concquer below the welterweight division.

His height and weight is already being "pushed" to the max to balance between strength and speed while "operating" comfortably. His accomplishments and while being the champion is a natural attraction and the much sought fighter around.

When he is no longer as potent or as a champion, obviously nobody would want to fight him. Can we all discount or rob him of this opportunity? Of course not.

While he and his team is calling forth for a catchweight fight, again, it is a MUTUAL AGREEMENT. The opponent doesn't have to agree to fight him. Not only it is perfectly legal but a norm to be able to "balance" any kind of advantage based on height and weight. (and reach).

I hear what you are saying and you are pretty much right on. I do ask you why would you fight Oscar at 147, Clottey and 147 and Cotto and 145 and for his belt. When Cotto and Pac are closer in size?

[fabie]

I hear what you are saying and you are pretty much right on. I do ask you why would you fight Oscar at 147, Clottey and 147 and Cotto and 145 and for his belt. When Cotto and Pac are closer in size?

In my opinion, I don't claim to know everything....but 2 to 3 pounds will not make much of a difference. I simply don't know.

If Cotto and Pac fought for 150, do you think it will much of a difference? Maybe.

But the thing about weights in boxing is that it isn't a true science. We can't be too objective. But one factor is that Pacquiao with a much smaller frame, height and coming from the lower weights - he does have more leverage in asking for a catchweight requirement while being THE fighter that everybody wants to fight.

REMATCH will settle differences (somewhat) I think but the way Pacquiao has dismantled DLH and COTTO, do you think it will make a difference again? Maybe but all points seemed to point to NO.

[Mr.Smith]

In my opinion, I don't claim to know everything....but 2 to 3 pounds will not make much of a difference. I simply don't know.

If Cotto and Pac fought for 150, do you think it will much of a difference? Maybe.

But the thing about weights in boxing is that it isn't a true science. We can't be too objective. But one factor is that Pacquiao with a much smaller frame, height and coming from the lower weights - he does have more leverage in asking for a catchweight requirement while being THE fighter that everybody wants to fight.

REMATCH will settle differences (somewhat) I think but the way Pacquiao has dismantled DLH and COTTO, do you think it will make a difference again? Maybe but all points seemed to point to NO.

I think 2-3 pounds can make a difference depending on the fighter and, hat goes with understand weights not being a true science. Based on your claim of size advantage it would make more sense to have Clottley the waterbuffalo come in at 145 or even Oscar (5'10)but Oscar gets what he wants anway. I dont have a problem with Manny asking for catch weights many great champs have asked for them. I think SRL did as well. My thing is this the rematch really wont settle things unless they go back to 147 and fight at 147. Cotto needed to move more and not trade with Manny. Use his boxing skills. This fighting for the 154 title is for Pacs legacy and wont do **** for Cotto (win or lose) except give him a payday that he deserves more than Pac or Money.

[Mr.Smith]

BTW I do not think Cotto was weight drained for the fight. He just had the wrong game plan and fought Manny's fight.

[fabie]

I think 2-3 pounds can make a difference depending on the fighter and, hat goes with understand weights not being a true science. Based on your claim of size advantage it would make more sense to have Clottley the waterbuffalo come in at 145 or even Oscar (5'10)but Oscar gets what he wants anway. I dont have a problem with Manny asking for catch weights many great champs have asked for them. I think SRL did as well. My thing is this the rematch really wont settle things unless they go back to 147 and fight at 147. Cotto needed to move more and not trade with Manny. Use his boxing skills. This fighting for the 154 title is for Pacs legacy and wont do **** for Cotto (win or lose) except give him a payday that he deserves more than Pac or Money.

I don't know the exact weight during the fight night for Pacquiao against COTTO but I know I've read somewhere near the 150 range. Obviously after hydrating and all...

But for me, again, 2-3 pounds will not do much of a difference. 5-10 pounds, yes - we will see the dire effects.

In my humble opinions as well, I see Pacquiao a tad slower than his 130-135 weight fights. And so it makes this fight against Cotto even more satisfying.

BTW I do not think Cotto was weight drained for the fight. He just had the wrong game plan and fought Manny's fight.

Thanks for that opinion with no alibis. While I also see that Cotto fought the wrong "style" or strategy, his heart also gave way (at least he is a warrior compared to Clottey who didn't fight at all).

A rematch (kindness of Pacquiao because he doesn't need to) would settle this once and for all. But only a lateral movement for Pacquiao, direction wise.

If bottom falls out of the Mayweather negotiation, I would for Pacquiao to fight someone else bigger but who? Is Cotto the right one? Don't know.

Maybe.

[Lorily]

I think 2-3 pounds can make a difference depending on the fighter and, hat goes with understand weights not being a true science. Based on your claim of size advantage it would make more sense to have Clottley the waterbuffalo come in at 145 or even Oscar (5'10)but Oscar gets what he wants anway. I dont have a problem with Manny asking for catch weights many great champs have asked for them. I think SRL did as well. My thing is this the rematch really wont settle things unless they go back to 147 and fight at 147. Cotto needed to move more and not trade with Manny. Use his boxing skills. This fighting for the 154 title is for Pacs legacy and wont do **** for Cotto (win or lose) except give him a payday that he deserves more than Pac or Money.

Exactly... and the title says "revenge". How do you get revenge for a fight at a weight that hasn't been fought yet?

BTW I do not think Cotto was weight drained for the fight. He just had the wrong game plan and fought Manny's fight.

I agree with this too. Cotto did very well for the first 4 rounds and then he was just overwhelmed and stopped doing what was working for him.

[Mr.Smith]

I don't know the exact weight during the fight night for Pacquiao against COTTO but I know I've read somewhere near the 150 range. Obviously after hydrating and all...

But for me, again, 2-3 pounds will not do much of a difference. 5-10 pounds, yes - we will see the dire effects.

In my humble opinions as well, I see Pacquiao a tad slower than his 130-135 weight fights. And so it makes this fight against Cotto even more satisfying.

Thanks for that opinion with no alibis. While I also see that Cotto fought the wrong "style" or strategy, his heart also gave way (at least he is a warrior compared to Clottey who didn't fight at all).

A rematch (kindness of Pacquiao because he doesn't need to) would settle this once and for all. But only a lateral movement for Pacquiao, direction wise.

If bottom falls out of the Mayweather negotiation, I would for Pacquiao to fight someone else bigger but who? Is Cotto the right one? Don't know.

Maybe.

Cotto tops them all in the heart department. Another thing I really just happen to think about with what you said is this. I'm not sure they could have go Yuri down to 150-152 because, I think he was fighting at 147 in golden gloves.

I dont have any problem with anyone having a different opinion than myself. I try to see why they have their opinion and learn from it. I don't take you to be a blind fan boy/girl like some of the pac and floyd fans. So, that's the reason I asked you questions. They rehydraded Oscar too late but, even if he was hydrated Manny would have beat that ass with his movement. I would love to talk to someone that really thinks that Manny would be Floyd but, in an adult converstation. I see this as the building of Ali/Frazier on paper Ali (Floyd due to style so you little fan boys chill) kicks Frazier's (Manny's) ass but they both brought the best out of each other.

[Mr.Smith]

Exactly... and the title says "revenge". How do you get revenge for a fight at a weight that hasn't been fought yet?


I agree with this too. Cotto did very well for the first 4 rounds and then he was just overwhelmed and stopped doing what was working for him.

LOL exactly! Well I say this I'm not sure if anyone brought this up but, in the 2nd round of the Pac/Hatton fight. Hatton showed a taste of what he learned from Mayweather Sr. Manny was throwing combinations and Hatton was blocking them going backwards. Sad thing is you cant change a fighter in 1-2 fights. He will always go back to his nature. Steward can help Cotto but, I don't think the outcome will be different. I would rather see Manny fight one of the other 154lb champs to prove greatness.

[TOBYLEE1]

Catch weights only benefits Manny, If they want to fight Cotto so bad then let come at 154 or do a fight at the 147 limit. Non-sense but in the end I can see Cotto taking the big payday

[royjonesjrKTFO]

Not only is Manny fighting other fighters' leftovers, he is fighting his own leftovers, lmao!! And at another catch weight for a title to fool the public.