The Oscar who beat Mayorga would have beaten Margarito

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  • jrosales13
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    #21
    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
    No, it's simple honestly. Margarito's lack of defense vs. Oscar's durability/ devastating left hook. Margarito goes bye bye. I mean, Oscar has faced much better punchers, the hell was Margarito gonna do? Margarito looked like **** against Santos, of course that pressure style is gonna work against much smaller opposition at 147. Oscar is pretty much his size, different ball game.
    What durabilty? Is not that Margarito is a KO puncher, he is a heavy handed puncher. And, Margarito fought evenly against Santos BTW. He was coming on strong at the end. You know the end, where Marg was getting stronger where Oscar gets weaker. But, not only the pressure, but the heavy hands, and the VOLUME PUNCHING, then you add Marg chin, then I am not sure there is a by bye for Margarito might actually be bye bye for Oscar late in the fight.

    You said Oscar faced much better puncher. I would not argue that cuz he has. But, had that version of Oscar faced a heavy handed, pressure, volume punching fighter? See that is where the different ball game is at. Also that version of Oscar really lacked a consistency on his left hook.

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      #22
      Originally posted by jrosales13
      Oscar and Judah are the two most overrated fighters in the last 10 years. Is ridiculous. Not only would Margarito beat him up. But, might even stop him or make him quit like Pac did. Margarito wasn't no ruined Mayorga or Vargas. He was not an old Campas, and was much better than that Castillejo and that version of Gatti.
      You know I got love for you Jro, but you are blinded by hate when it comes to Oscar.

      The version of Oscar that fought Floyd beats, and could quite possibly stop any version of Margarito.

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        #23
        Originally posted by jrosales13
        What durabilty? Is not that Margarito is a KO puncher, he is a heavy handed puncher. And, Margarito fought evenly against Santos BTW. He was coming on strong at the end. You know the end, where Marg was getting stronger where Oscar gets weaker. But, not only the pressure, but the heavy hands, and the VOLUME PUNCHING, then you add Marg chin, then I am not sure there is a by bye for Margarito might actually be bye bye for Oscar late in the fight.

        You said Oscar faced much better puncher. I would not argue that cuz he has. But, had that version of Oscar faced a heavy handed, pressure, volume punching fighter? See that is where the different ball game is at. Also that version of Oscar really lacked a consistency on his left hook.
        Well he wouldn't be inconsistent with the left hook, due to Margarito's chin being open/ in range for it. Am I right or am I wrong? Be real now. Also, Margarito was a HUGE WW, and that's mainly why he was successful in walking down the much smaller WWs. Again, him and Oscar are pretty much the same size.

        As for Oscar getting tired, I don't see that as being a problem here. Alot of fighters get tired, but it's motivating to know that the opponent in front of you has ZERO defense, and that's enough to give Oscar a boost. I'm being real here man, Margarito would crumble.

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          #24
          Oscar is overall better than Margarito, PERIOD! Margarito should have kept his mouth shut instead of running it on every tv station possible insulting a guy that's way out of his league.

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            #25
            Originally posted by savorduhflavor
            You know I got love for you Jro, but you are blinded by hate when it comes to Oscar.

            The version of Oscar that fought Floyd beats, and could quite possibly stop any version of Margarito.
            We all love Jros, but that hate doesn't allow him to think logically. The only person I ever hated that much was Calzaghe, and for some strange reason I've now come to like him; while also understanding that his resume isn't all that.

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              #26
              Originally posted by savorduhflavor
              You know I got love for you Jro, but you are blinded by hate when it comes to Oscar.

              The version of Oscar that fought Floyd beats, and could quite possibly stop any version of Margarito.
              Why you say that though? Because, Floyd started slow like always, coasting and carrying Oscar throughout the fight?

              What did Oscar do before hand? Get a gift decision and beat 2 guys who's chin was crack by Tito? That is what he did. Prior to getting carried by Floyd. I don't see that version beating Margarito.

              The 90's version destroys Margarito. But, the last 10 years Oscar is the most overrated fighter. People still thought of him as the 90's version.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                Well he wouldn't be inconsistent with the left hook, due to Margarito's chin being open/ in range for it. Am I right or am I wrong? Be real now. Also, Margarito was a HUGE WW, and that's mainly why he was successful in walking down the much smaller WWs. Again, him and Oscar are pretty much the same size.

                As for Oscar getting tired, I don't see that as being a problem here. Alot of fighters get tired, but it's motivating to know that the opponent in front of you has ZERO defense, and that's enough to give Oscar a boost. I'm being real here man, Margarito would crumble.
                lol... So Oscar is landing his left hook at will, Marg is getting hit with his left hook. Is Margarito landing anything at all? Or is Oscar going to look like Whitaker in there? I am guessing he will be a Whitaker version since Oscar would somehow have this stamina that version lacked but miracusly he would have if for Marg who does get stronger... But, since Marg would fight a great defensive fighter would not land anything at all throughout the fight to could effect Oscar or make him tired. Because, that version of Oscar showed so much great defense. I guess Mayorga and Marg were the same fighter?

                And, I am the one being illogical here and not being real?

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  lol... So Oscar is landing his left hook at will, Marg is getting hit with his left hook. Is Margarito landing anything at all? Or is Oscar going to look like Whitaker in there? I am guessing he will be a Whitaker version since Oscar would somehow have this stamina that version lacked but miracusly he would have if for Marg who does get stronger... But, since Marg would fight a great defensive fighter would not land anything at all throughout the fight to could effect Oscar or make him tired. Because, that version of Oscar showed so much great defense. I guess Mayorga and Marg were the same fighter?

                  And, I am the one being illogical here and not being real?
                  You underrated Oscar's defense man. Didn't you see him pick off alot of Mayweather's shots? Imagine the much slower Margarito at 154. Come on Jros. Also I never said Oscar's defense was great.
                  Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 06-22-2010, 07:33 PM.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by jrosales13
                    Why you say that though? Because, Floyd started slow like always, coasting and carrying Oscar throughout the fight?

                    What did Oscar do before hand? Get a gift decision and beat 2 guys who's chin was crack by Tito? That is what he did. Prior to getting carried by Floyd. I don't see that version beating Margarito.

                    The 90's version destroys Margarito. But, the last 10 years Oscar is the most overrated fighter. People still thought of him as the 90's version.
                    Unfair to use 160 version of Oscar as a barometer. Oscar did beat Mosley in the 2nd fight.

                    Margarito gets hit too much. A guy like Oscar, who you said was inconsistent with his left hook at the time, gets right back in the rhythm of things with a guy as easy to hit as Margarito.

                    Margarito would get beat up. Hell, I think Oscar could come back right now and KO Margarito. Oscar is much too ring savvy to let Margarito corner him like Cotto did.

                    I would almost venture to say that Margarito wouldn't even have a chance against any version of Oscar.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                      Unfair to use 160 version of Oscar as a barometer. Oscar did beat Mosley in the 2nd fight.

                      Margarito gets hit too much. A guy like Oscar, who you said was inconsistent with his left hook at the time, gets right back in the rhythm of things with a guy as easy to hit as Margarito.

                      Margarito would get beat up. Hell, I think Oscar could come back right now and KO Margarito.
                      I had Shane winning the 2nd fight.

                      And, I would love to see Oscar comeback and fight Marg. It would be another sig worthy performance. And, the 2 are not the same fighter that they were 2006 either. So that means nothing.

                      That version of Oscar got hit a lot too BTW.

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