60/40 for Floyd fair?

[Spoon23]

Actually,I believe Manny was the favourite on the Cotto, Hatton and Clottey fights.He was not favoured to win Oscar....

The general emphasis for the favourite was placed on Oscar's size-not his weight.We all know the facts on that-Oscar was seriously drained, in a weight class he hadn't been at for 11 years, and was at the tail end of his career receiving the "beatdown" from a primed fighter while he himself was past it-just like when he fought Pernell , Camacho, Chavez, etc (ok,so I think Whitaker done enough...)...it was a carnival sort of event to the media that focused on Oscar's size and Manny's supposed "disadvantages".
Nobody stopped to consider the disadvantages Oscar was at.....nonetheless,it was a MONEY fight for Manny-I didn't hear one person demand this fight before it was happening....so much for the exclusively fighting for fans.

I don't base fights off of what the casino's have as the favourite however.When it comes to fight predictions,I go off of a heap of different things.Usually strengths, weaknesses, habits, similar style opponents handled, physical advantages and how well they use them,etc etc...
That is another story.

I have Floyd winning,rather comfortably-perhaps putting an exclamation point on his win.There is a reason that Manny didn't fight right hand dominant opponents for 5 fights after Marquez-that is no coincidence.
His fast feet wont mean much,his punch output will drop, and he will get hit-frequently.

Before you accuse me of being a "*****", just remember that I predicted Manny to win his last 5 fights...before anything else,I like the sport and base my opinions on what I believe based on all facts and situations that exist-I do not confuse hype/popularity with talent or skills.

So if your not a ***** basing on credentials of both fighters don't you think 50/50 is fair? Floyd can't make more than 1.4million with anyone else right now. It's PAc and him that will make that break the ppv records.

It takes 2 to tango and they need each other. If someone in your office has a highly decorated career don't you think he deserves respect for his achievements. Pac is highly decorated and they need each other to make this fight happen.

It's all about respect, What makes this fight sell is not anyone man alone. They both are considered great. That is why they are set to break records together.

Pacman is the FOTD, pound for pound king, 7 dicision champ, 4 linear champ. That in itself makes all the much enticing to easily sell the fight.

Floyd facing a highly decorated guy and vice versa.

Isn't life about fairness. If you want to make this fight happen realistically they both deserve a 50/50 split. If you want it 60/40 it just shows how much ***** you are and wouldn't care less if any fighter gets ripped off except Floyd.

[damned1974]

So if your not a ***** basing on credentials of both fighters don't you think 50/50 is fair? Floyd can't make more than 1.4million with anyone else right now. It's PAc and him that will make that break the ppv records.

It takes 2 to tango and they need each other. If someone in your office has a highly decorated career don't you think he deserves respect for his achievements. Pac is highly decorated and they need each other to make this fight happen.

It's all about respect, What makes this fight sell is not anyone man alone. They both are considered great. That is why they are set to break records together.

Pacman is the FOTD, pound for pound king, 7 dicision champ, 4 linear champ. That in itself makes all the much enticing to easily sell the fight.

Floyd facing a highly decorated guy and vice versa.

Isn't life about fairness. If you want to make this fight happen realistically they both deserve a 50/50 split. If you want it 60/40 it just shows how much ***** you are and wouldn't care less if any fighter gets ripped off except Floyd.

First off-enough with the "*****" sorta talk-it sounds like a word a teenager would use.
I said,if it gets made on 50/50 I could care less,but I could understand Floyd's reasoning for wanting more based on recent ppv sells-you act as if it is unfair of him to start negotiations like this.In negotiations,you always ask for more first,then meet as close to the middle as both parties accept....that's normal.

Both fighters are "highly decorated"-but BOTH fighters demand the bigger purse based on what they have sold in prior fights.Manny has done this in the past and have had fights called off and on in all of his recent fights (except for Clottey).Why are you holding Floyd to different standards???

As far as your "fairness" campain...I was annoyed at Manny when he jerked around Hatton, Cotto,etc -even though they held the belts and were very popular at the time.Where were you at when Manny was ****ing them around in negotiations? Did you even care,or were you under the impression that it was ok for Manny to negotiate like this as a challenger moving up???
If Floyd had a history of ****ing negotiations around as much as Pacquiao did (remember,he felt he deserved more than Oscar,Hatton,Cotto,etc!) then I would be agitated with him as well.Simple as that.

[Spoon23]

First off-enough with the "*****" sorta talk-it sounds like a word a teenager would use.
I said,if it gets made on 50/50 I could care less,but I could understand Floyd's reasoning for wanting more based on recent ppv sells-you act as if it is unfair of him to start negotiations like this.In negotiations,you always ask for more first,then meet as close to the middle as both parties accept....that's normal.

Both fighters are "highly decorated"-but BOTH fighters demand the bigger purse based on what they have sold in prior fights.Manny has done this in the past and have had fights called off and on in all of his recent fights (except for Clottey).Why are you holding Floyd to different standards???

As far as your "fairness" campain...I was annoyed at Manny when he jerked around Hatton, Cotto,etc -even though they held the belts and were very popular at the time.Where were you at when Manny was ****ing them around in negotiations? Did you even care,or were you under the impression that it was ok for Manny to negotiate like this as a challenger moving up???
If Floyd had a history of ****ing negotiations around as much as Pacquiao did (remember,he felt he deserved more than Oscar,Hatton,Cotto,etc!) then I would be agitated with him as well.Simple as that.

Huh? Pacman was bigger in popularity than hatton was, and hatton wanted 50-50? Plus the fact pacman was highly decorated already p4p, 4 lineal champ, 5 division champ to add to the negotiations with Hatton. So is that fair? yes it is fair for pac to ask a little more. It's called fairness and respect to the current p4p.

Cotto going down to 145. Is that fair? Yes it is, coz Pac just fought once in the 140 division with the Hatton fight and he is going up again to welterweight to face a bigger man. And if you want an even playing ground to see whose better between of the 2 fighters skill wise. It would be even fairer if they meet halfway at 144lbs. Meeting halfway just to ward of weight advantage and emphasis in there skill is what sports is all about. That is why in Golf there is a thing as Handicap. It evens out the playing field. It was done by sugar ray leonard before as well and other boxers who want to pit of fighter in different divisions so they can realistically fight and neither fighter having too much of an advantage.

And besides before Cotto fought Pacquiao, He fought Martgarito @ 146lbs during the weigh-in so what is a pound of going down @ 145lbs to fight pac? When Pac has to go up 5 lbs to his 1 pound less of his previous fight. So as I was writing about fairness. I therefore conclude,I believe It was very fair at that point in time.

And I'll quote you for saying it is a negotation ploy for Floyd to ask for 60/40 to start nego. In the first place this nego should be done by now. So I have a pretty good feeling he is really asking 60/40 for real. I stress "for real" coz he is an obvious ducker if he sticks to 60/60.

I hope your right that his just negotiating to start of with 60/40, but something tells me he is pricing himself out of the fight.

[Spoon23]

Well,you are entitled to your opinion.I just think personally, that Manny dug himself a ditch by walking away from the first negotiations.He puts himself in a bad situation with Floyd now.

I am unsure why his excuses of "blood weakens him,Floyd is "bullying" him,etc" are no longer effecting him just a few months later....in fact,he seems keen NOW,to what once was so "terrible" for him.People don't just get over ailments like Manny's in a few months....you have to acknowledge that he has made it pretty tough on himself, and has nobody to blame but himself.

If I was negotiating and coming off of a bigger PPV,no matter what,I would feel entitled to a bigger share of the purse-wouldn't you? That would be the same stance Manny would use,why change the standards and hold Floyd up to different expectations?

At the end of this,if it is 50/50,I have no concern-but I can understand where Floyd is coming from by asking 60/40-you always ask for the most in negotiations at the beginning and usually settle on as close to a compromise as possible....

Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

If Floyd will insist to a 60/40 boxing fans should expose Floyd as the ducker he really is!

[Burnthrust]

From a business stand point, yes, it is completely fair. Floyd obviously draws more than Pacquiao. It's not even intelligently arguable. Apparently everyone and their grandma knew that Marquez-Floyd was going to be a blow out, yet it still sold more than Pacquiao-Hatton. Mosley Floyd nearly doubled Pacquiao-Clottey and still got more than Pacquiao-Cotto. It really isn't even debatable. Not if you remotely value intellect.

It's like Oscar not deserving the bigger share than Vargas. He's lucky Floyd just wants 60/40, if Floyd really wanted to over price himself, Pacquiao would be lucky to even get 25. If we really want to get to the crux of the situation.


But, I really don't care who makes the more money. Just fight already. Someone's legacy will be crushed and I want to see it go down.

this is the truth

[slickfox]

pac cant even do 750k buys without floyd....face it that floyd sells more ppv than pac and is justified to get more money( it was a major compromise last time to offer 50/50 yet pac fans think pac was entitled to it but in reality floyd was generous to offer it). at this point 55/45 is fair but I wont be mad if its 50/50 cuz not like its going into my bank account

[Spoon23]

pac cant even do 750k buys without floyd....face it that floyd sells more ppv than pac and is justified to get more money( it was a major compromise last time to offer 50/50 yet pac fans think pac was entitled to it but in reality floyd was generous to offer it). at this point 55/45 is fair but I wont be mad if its 50/50 cuz not like its going into my bank account

Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

You've read this before but I dunno why you keep on being fickle like a little girl

[Spoon23]

this is the truth

Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

[Spoon23]

fair answer.. i agree with you for the first two paragraphs
and no i am not making excuses.. just calling reality as it is

Yup reality bites for *****s who can't accept the truth

[feefiflofum]

Pac wasn't a house hold name yet when he fought DLH. It was after beating DLH that made him a popular boxer when he made DLH quit in his stool. Mayweather was already a star when he fought DLH and had fought in american soil in more years than pac.

It was after DLH that shoot him up as a house hold name. Pac was going up in popularity.

When Pac fought hatton it was 850k while before that mayweather fought hatton for 900k. (note hatton that time was undefeated so it was more sale able to the viewing public knowing their both undefeated fighting each other.

When Pac fought Hatton he still did 850k even if Hatton's star power wasn't the same like when he faced Mayweather coz he wasn't undefeated anymore.

The best way of gauging their populartiy is their present fight that had "24/7" and commercial hype, which was the cotto,pac fight and Mayweather mosely fight.

You can't pay a hollywood actor a huge talent fee if his star power is waning down. If a holllywood actor was big in the 90's but not anymore at present. Will you still pay him the huge amount he commands in the past? Ofcourse not, you give him his talent on assumption of his star quality @ present.

Hence, the best comparison is the closest present fight which both having 24/7 and commercials.

Note: Mosely Mayweather promotion was way up in promoting hype and commercials compared to cotto pac. Golden Boy spent a ton of money in commercials and billboards etc. And there numbers where close 1.25 pac, cotto, 1.4 may, mosely.

Btw, Mayweather and Mosely are both americans who are asking american viewing pubic to pay HBO PPV.

If pac was an american he could have done even more for sure. In his country alone he shuts down his country literally. No one works, evident that a fighter of his caliber is supported by his own people as Ali was supported by americans, Roy jones, sugar ray, Hagler, Hearns etc.

knowing these facts and common sense, they both deserve a 50/50 split.

PPv numbers for the Mayweather vs Mosely garnered 1.4million. 2 americans in their homeland. While Pacman who is a foreigner who fought cotto who is just as popular as mosely got 1.250 million ppv.

Plus, considering Pac is the fighter of the decade, pound for pound king, and 7 division champ. Pac is definitely giving a lot on the table to make this a PPV success.

Pac's credentials and Mayweathers credentials are the reason this is suppose to break PPV all time record.

They need each other: 50/50 is the way to go.

If Floyd has to be a greedy bastard the most he can ask is 55/45 no more no less. If it's 60/40 he is definitely ducking the fight again plain and simple.

He is over pricing himself if he asks more than a 55/45 split.

Common sense should dictate a 50/50 split, but just so it happens 55/45 is fine with me and most fans, more than that is just crazy talk, Boxing fans make this fight happen!

you talk reality and history combine with common sense.. green k