60/40 for Floyd fair?

[feefiflofum]

So are you saying Pac/Cotto never had a 24/7 or any other advertisements? They had hype behind it definitely.Both Pac and Cotto are big draws-it just wasn't as big as Floyd's fight-why get bent out of shape over it? Your bizarre theories don't hold much credibility compared to PPV numbers.
Your example of Pac being on Time mag's cover,his BWAA awards,etc only add to his own personal hype-yet he still isn't outselling Floyd (who is not half as publicly hyped through the media as Manny at the moment)....how do you explain that?

man u cant be taken serious if ur gonna put mayweather-mosley on equal promotional footing with cotto- pac

cus the way u seem to be going with that is.. because cotto and pac had 24/7 and mayweather also did.. therefore both were equally promoted

which is just wrong.. which just drives away from the direction of truth and leads to nuthugging

and then u wanna throw me that question how pac being on time mag etc etc

ive already told u, pac was overshadowed by the drug accusation which majority of the media focuses on and alot of casual fans were interested in, that coupled with the fact there was no PROMO FOR PAC CLOTTEY DURING THAT SPECIFIC TIME leads to the "UNAWARENESS" of the fight.. but yet 700k were not aware

its simple logic man

if u r a popular person and u didnt tell ur whereabouts, u wouldnt be known ur there but a loudmouth person associated to your popularity who keeps talking about you will get the attention

if that was pac fighting mosley, he was at the bowl etc etc like ive said, he would reach 1.8 to 2 million no doubt

its simple logic


ultimate point is, pac is the bigger draw but circumstances where floyd maxed out his potential profitability with a huge hype shows he can do... 300k more at best against pac

pac base on the pattern of a steady ppv rise with a lackluster promotion( compare to mayweather) and yet beating his numbers with jmm but almost equalling may's biggest and most hype fight shows his value is higher

the split has to be 60-40 for pac but it should be 50-50


if u dont agree with me.. try doing a poll on 5 diffrent sites and see who would buy the ppv.. would it be for may or for pac... i bet theyre gonna vote pac.. prove me wrong bwahaha

[damned1974]

man u cant be taken serious if ur gonna put mayweather-mosley on equal promotional footing with cotto- pac

cus the way u seem to be going with that is.. because cotto and pac had 24/7 and mayweather also did.. therefore both were equally promoted

which is just wrong.. which just drives away from the direction of truth and leads to nuthugging

and then u wanna throw me that question how pac being on time mag etc etc

ive already told u, pac was overshadowed by the drug accusation which majority of the media focuses on and alot of casual fans were interested in, that coupled with the fact there was no PROMO FOR PAC CLOTTEY DURING THAT SPECIFIC TIME leads to the "UNAWARENESS" of the fight.. but yet 700k were not aware

its simple logic man

if u r a popular person and u didnt tell ur whereabouts, u wouldnt be known ur there but a loudmouth person associated to your popularity who keeps talking about you will get the attention

if that was pac fighting mosley, he was at the bowl etc etc like ive said, he would reach 1.8 to 2 million no doubt

its simple logic


ultimate point is, pac is the bigger draw but circumstances where floyd maxed out his potential profitability with a huge hype shows he can do... 300k more at best against pac

pac base on the pattern of a steady ppv rise with a lackluster promotion( compare to mayweather) and yet beating his numbers with jmm but almost equalling may's biggest and most hype fight shows his value is higher

the split has to be 60-40 for pac but it should be 50-50

Maybe there was not much promotion for Pac/Clottey because Arum didn't have enough gall to heavily sell that heap of crap to the public.They made an emphasis more on the stadium than the fight itself....how is that Floyd's problem?
In fact,how the hell is it Floyd's problem that Bob Arum is not promoting Pacquiao as heavily as he could be-as you have implied? I am not sure Pac can get any more popular than he is already,but it still isn't enough to outsell what Floyd has done....

Negotiations are generally always based on recent stats,not "what his potential COULD be".I am not sure why you feel the need to make all these excuses for Pacquiao,but you should be a part of his team.You have come up with new excuses that perhaps his guys have overlooked.

[feefiflofum]

Maybe there was not much promotion for Pac/Clottey because Arum didn't have enough gall to heavily sell that heap of crap to the public.They made an emphasis more on the stadium than the fight itself....how is that Floyd's problem?
In fact,how the hell is it Floyd's problem that Bob Arum is not promoting Pacquiao as heavily as he could be-as you have implied? I am not sure Pac can get any more popular than he is already,but it still isn't enough to outsell what Floyd has done....

Negotiations are generally always based on recent stats,not "what his potential COULD be".I am not sure why you feel the need to make all these excuses for Pacquiao,but you should be a part of his team.You have come up with new excuses that perhaps his guys have overlooked.

fair answer.. i agree with you for the first two paragraphs
and no i am not making excuses.. just calling reality as it is

[damned1974]

fair answer.. i agree with you for the first two paragraphs
and no i am not making excuses.. just calling reality as it is

Well,you are entitled to your opinion.I just think personally, that Manny dug himself a ditch by walking away from the first negotiations.He puts himself in a bad situation with Floyd now.

I am unsure why his excuses of "blood weakens him,Floyd is "bullying" him,etc" are no longer effecting him just a few months later....in fact,he seems keen NOW,to what once was so "terrible" for him.People don't just get over ailments like Manny's in a few months....you have to acknowledge that he has made it pretty tough on himself, and has nobody to blame but himself.

If I was negotiating and coming off of a bigger PPV,no matter what,I would feel entitled to a bigger share of the purse-wouldn't you? That would be the same stance Manny would use,why change the standards and hold Floyd up to different expectations?

At the end of this,if it is 50/50,I have no concern-but I can understand where Floyd is coming from by asking 60/40-you always ask for the most in negotiations at the beginning and usually settle on as close to a compromise as possible....

[feefiflofum]

Well,you are entitled to your opinion.I just think personally, that Manny dug himself a ditch by walking away from the first negotiations.He puts himself in a bad situation with Floyd now.

I am unsure why his excuses of "blood weakens him,Floyd is "bullying" him,etc" are no longer effecting him just a few months later....in fact,he seems keen NOW,to what once was so "terrible" for him.People don't just get over ailments like Manny's in a few months....you have to acknowledge that he has made it pretty tough on himself, and has nobody to blame but himself.

If I was negotiating and coming off of a bigger PPV,no matter what,I would feel entitled to a bigger share of the purse-wouldn't you?

ok

well, blood still does weaken him, it has never change the only thing diffrent now is he is willing to put up with it PROVIDED ITS NOT CLOSE TO THE FIGHT ..3-5 days

he already told a media outlet he's "DOING IT FOR THE FANS"... i believe him, history has shown hes dedicated his fights to majority of the fans and besides that if u look at it from a financial point of view

he doesnt need to box anymore .. at least when it comes to money just because hes pulling in 10 million outside of boxing since 2008

you dont have to believe him but logically, it just doesnt make sense to stay and get beat up for 50 million when u can make that in 5 years time

i heard that when u live in the phillippines, even 1 dollar goes a looooooooong way.. thats 100 pesos there and basic stuff like toothepaste and clothes where it will normally fetch for 2 dollars to 20 in USA mu can get them for 1/10th of the price in the phillippinnes

so logically...hes doing this for his legacy

and yes if i was mayweather coming off a 300k + ppv compare to pac, id probably try to get the higher share but id also have to put in the fact ive been made to look like a ducker

especially with the drug accusations that were base on nothing, the many many roadblocks that derail the fight and put all of them in perspective and tell myself...

its time to do a 50-50... for the people..for his rep, for his legacy just like pac

wouldnt u just say 50-50 for public relations especially since thats wat u need the most?

especially since even a 50-50 split would pull in at least 50 million being its the fight is the biggest fight of all time??

u would want wat u lack the most....

why wouldnt u..

especially if u say u r better than sugar ray leonard and you should be the FOTD..
it shows u care how the public and boxing history will regard u so its in ur interest to go for 50-50

im sure u would....
unless ur a coward and weigh that being pegged a ducker is worth it compare to getting ur ass beat and possibly getting KTFO

[damned1974]

ok

well, blood still does weaken him, it has never change the only thing diffrent now is he is willing to put up with it PROVIDED ITS NOT CLOSE TO THE FIGHT ..3-5 days , he already told a media outlet he's "DOING IT FOR THE FANS"... i believe him, history has shown hes dedicated his fights to majority of the fans and besides that if u look at it from a financial point of view, he doesnt need to box anymore .. at least when it comes to money just because hes pulling in 10 million outside of boxing since 2008

you dont have to believe him but logically, it just doesnt make sense to stay and get beat up for 50 million when u can make that in 5 years time
i heard that when u live in the phillippines, even 1 dollar goes a looooooooong way.. thats 100 pesos there and basic stuff like toothepaste and clothes where it will normally fetch for 2 dollars to 20 in USA would u can get is 1/10th the price in the phillippinnes

logically...hes doing this for his legacy

and yes if i was mayweather coming off a 300k + ppv compare to pac, id probably try to get the higher share but id also have to put in the fact ive been made to look like a ducker especially with the drug accusations that were base on nothing, the many many roadblocks that derail the fight and put all of them in perspective and tell myself... its time to do a 50-50... for the people..for his rep, for his legacy just like pac

wouldnt u just say 50-50 for public relations especially since thats wat u need most especially since even a 50-50 split would pull in at least 50 million being the fight is the biggest fight of all time??
u would want wat u lack the most.... why wouldnt u.. especially if u say u r better than sugar ray leonard and you should be the FOTD.. it shows u care how the public and boxing history will regard u so its in ur interest to go for 50-50

im sure u would.... unless ur a coward and weigh that being pegged a ducker is worth it compare to getting ur ass beat and possibly getting KTFO

In some abstract way,I understand what you are saying.
What you are now saying is-Floyd does indeed care about his legacy,as well as a large emphasis on money.
but....you are also saying that Manny fights EXCLUSIVELY for his fans....that part,I do not buy into.

Let's be honest here-both guys are fighting for money-if one person didn't care about cash,they would allow themselves to get a less share of money,so I don't completely buy into the "Manny only fights for fans"-he fights for his legacy and money as an award of his labour-just as Floyd.The main difference here is the public's perception and assumptions.

I am sure BOTH guys care about their place in boxing's history,and no doubt they have earned a place.To the public,it is easy to shove blame on Floyd for "ducking" Manny....when you dig a bit deeper and look at a lot of the falsehoods and blatant lies that have come from Manny's side regarding why he flaked out of the last negotiations,then any neutral fan of the sport should identify that there was some serious B.S. coming from Pac's camp.

Nonetheless,with a lot of luck,crossed-fingers, etc...hopefully these two guys can reach an agreement and get in the ring.If not,the sport lives on-especially when other interesting fights are happening (Super 6 tournament for example).In a way,it is funny how passionate both sides of these fans are (Floyd's fans and Manny's) in using the blame game,but I suppose we all have the common ground that we just want to see this mega-fight.

For the record-how do you think Manny is going to handle Floyd?

[feefiflofum]

In some abstract way,I understand what you are saying.
What you are now saying is-Floyd does indeed care about his legacy,as well as a large emphasis on money.
but....you are also saying that Manny fights EXCLUSIVELY for his fans....that part,I do not buy into.

Let's be honest here-both guys are fighting for money-if one person didn't care about cash,they would allow themselves to get a less share of money,so I don't completely buy into the "Manny only fights for fans"-he fights for his legacy and money as an award of his labour-just as Floyd.The main difference here is the public's perception and assumptions.

I am sure BOTH guys care about their place in boxing's history,and no doubt they have earned a place.To the public,it is easy to shove blame on Floyd for "ducking" Manny....when you dig a bit deeper and look at a lot of the falsehoods and blatant lies that have come from Manny's side regarding why he flaked out of the last negotiations,then any neutral fan of the sport should identify that there was some serious B.S. coming from Pac's camp.

Nonetheless,with a lot of luck,crossed-fingers, etc...hopefully these two guys can reach an agreement and get in the ring.If not,the sport lives on-especially when other interesting fights are happening (Super 6 tournament for example).In a way,it is funny how passionate both sides of these fans are (Floyd's fans and Manny's) in using the blame game,but I suppose we all have the common ground that we just want to see this mega-fight.

For the record-how do you think Manny is going to handle Floyd? Do you think Floyd is the casino's favourite for no reason?

your first two paragraphs, thats ur opinion, me i think pac just want wat he deserves, there's a diffrence between wanting money out of greed and wanting money because u r deserving of it and there where i see pac is on...
but who acts that he cares most about his legacy? pac is.. does mayweather care about his legacy, he sure talks like he does but he doesnt act like it.. thats where the diffrence is and thats where you cant hold them in both regards as equal. just simple logic base on reality not wat u FEEL it is

wouldnt u stake ur claim to wat u r deserving on that is of high value regardless if u actually need it or not? a yes or no would show u why ur like or isnt like pac and thats just that
in ur last 3rd to the last paragraph.. hmm i dunno, u say there's falsehoods but u dont elaborate on it,would u mind?elaborating on the b.s, its easy to say there's some flaking without some support because there isn't actually, there was some inconsistencies and incompentencies on manny's camp in how they were dealing with the propose deals but most people can see that and thats why majority of the public r on pac's side, it's not a hush hush matter here, its pretty well known.. im sure wat u know is wat most know...and written in the paper.. unless u got some intel u got from some source lol

and yes i think manny can handle floyd but pre-cotto i wouldnt think so, i thought manny getting hit by a counterpuncher was his greatest weakness especially since mayweather is an accurate one..i saw his accurracy could make pac respect him and keep him at bay like wat jmm did only better than wat jmm did and possibly do a 8-4 UD but when he showed he can willingly take a punch from cotto and clottey, thats it, i know he will walk mayweather down and smother him.. he can outdecision mayweather 12-0 by winning decision where hes the aggressor who lands the most punch or he will knock him out

btw.... pac wasnt the favor against ODLH and cotto and ricky when it comes to the books.. u should already know by now not to base the outcome of the fight base on the odds since mab-pac 1....and that was 8 years ago.......

[check hook]

Maybe there was not much promotion for Pac/Clottey because Arum didn't have enough gall to heavily sell that heap of crap to the public.They made an emphasis more on the stadium than the fight itself....how is that Floyd's problem?
In fact,how the hell is it Floyd's problem that Bob Arum is not promoting Pacquiao as heavily as he could be-as you have implied? I am not sure Pac can get any more popular than he is already,but it still isn't enough to outsell what Floyd has done....

Negotiations are generally always based on recent stats,not "what his potential COULD be".I am not sure why you feel the need to make all these excuses for Pacquiao,but you should be a part of his team.You have come up with new excuses that perhaps his guys have overlooked.

"HBO estimated internally that publicity resulting from the fight being held in Dallas could engender an additional several hundred thousand pay-per-view buys." - Thomas Hauser

[damned1974]

your first two paragraphs, thats ur opinion, me i think pac just want wat he deserves, there's a diffrence between wanting money out of greed and wanting money because u r deserving of it and there where i see pac is on...
but who acts that he cares most about his legacy? pac is.. does mayweather care about his legacy, he sure talks like he does but he doesnt act like it.. thats where the diffrence is and thats where you cant hold them in both regards as equal. just simple logic base on reality not wat u FEEL it is

wouldnt u stake ur claim to wat u r deserving on that is of high value regardless if u actually need it or not? a yes or no would show u why ur like or isnt like pac and thats just that
in ur last 3rd to the last paragraph.. hmm i dunno, u say there's falsehoods but u dont elaborate on it,would u mind?elaborating on the b.s, its easy to say there's some flaking without some support because there isn't actually, there was some inconsistencies and incompentencies on manny's camp in how they were dealing with the propose deals but most people can see that and thats why majority of the public r on pac's side, it's not a hush hush matter here, its pretty well known.. im sure wat u know is wat most know...and written in the paper.. unless u got some intel u got from some source lol

and yes i think manny can handle floyd but pre-cotto i wouldnt think so, i thought manny getting hit by a counterpuncher was his greatest weakness especially since mayweather is an accurate one..i saw his accurracy could make pac respect him and keep him at bay like wat jmm did only better than wat jmm did and possibly do a 8-4 UD but when he showed he can willingly take a punch from cotto and clottey, thats it, i know he will walk mayweather down and smother him.. he can outdecision mayweather 12-0 by winning decision where hes the aggressor who lands the most punch or he will knock him out

btw.... pac wasnt the favor against ODLH and cotto and ricky when it comes to the books.. u should already know by now not to base the outcome of the fight base on the odds since mab-pac 1....and that was 8 years ago.......

Actually,I believe Manny was the favourite on the Cotto, Hatton and Clottey fights.He was not favoured to win Oscar....

The general emphasis for the favourite was placed on Oscar's size-not his weight.We all know the facts on that-Oscar was seriously drained, in a weight class he hadn't been at for 11 years, and was at the tail end of his career receiving the "beatdown" from a primed fighter while he himself was past it-just like when he fought Pernell , Camacho, Chavez, etc (ok,so I think Whitaker done enough...)...it was a carnival sort of event to the media that focused on Oscar's size and Manny's supposed "disadvantages".
Nobody stopped to consider the disadvantages Oscar was at.....nonetheless,it was a MONEY fight for Manny-I didn't hear one person demand this fight before it was happening....so much for the exclusively fighting for fans.

I don't base fights off of what the casino's have as the favourite however.When it comes to fight predictions,I go off of a heap of different things.Usually strengths, weaknesses, habits, similar style opponents handled, physical advantages and how well they use them,etc etc...
That is another story.

I have Floyd winning,rather comfortably-perhaps putting an exclamation point on his win.There is a reason that Manny didn't fight right hand dominant opponents for 5 fights after Marquez-that is no coincidence.
His fast feet wont mean much,his punch output will drop, and he will get hit-frequently.

Before you accuse me of being a "*****", just remember that I predicted Manny to win his last 5 fights...before anything else,I like the sport and base my opinions on what I believe based on all facts and situations that exist-I do not confuse hype/popularity with talent or skills.

[boojee]

for *****s 60/40 is fair. or any cut in favor of floyd.