Manny Pacquiao's speed will be the defining factor in the Pac-May fight

[Gorilla Dogs]

almost all experts believe floyd beat dlh 7-5 at best, most think it was 8-4. Manny would have gotten KTFO fighting that version of dlh at 154 at that time so you cant even compare.

KTFO ? lmao yea ....



Manny would be too fast.



How bout lets say.... Floyd move up to 175 and fight Chad Dawson? Why dont he? Oh wait wait its ok for Manny to jump 3 4 5 weight classes to fight an oscar at 154 but its not ok for floyd to jump?



You make no sense

[Dick Buffman]

He isn't very dynamic. He is very linear.


Manny Pacquiao is a head hunter. That narrows down what to expect. He mainly throws straight punches. That narrows down even further what to expect. When he doesn't throw straights, everything else is wide/loopy. Unless Floyd uses the winky guard, he will see it a mile away. He uses the winky guard, it's possible that he will get hit with it.

It will be Pacquiao's speed and output. I believe he has faster hands than Floyd and the only way he will win is by throwing 1000(hyperbole) punches.

However, once the speed is neutralized by Floyd's near flawless timing. It will be a long day at the office. Floyd will adjust and get the timing down, there is no question about it.

Too easy to predict and too linear. That's why Roger called Pacquiao's skill amateur. Not his physical ability(speed, power, strength etc.), his skills (technique, variety of punching, etc. etc.). You can only left straight for so long till your neutralized completely.

You're describing 2001 Packy. This version is not like that. I never figured you for a hater...

[Jo94403]

I don't disagree. But it wont be the first time Floyd has fought someone with more speed than him.

But I will address that Nacho thing. That is why Marquez loss. He tried to brawl Pacquiao. Mistake. When Marquez was pure counter punching, he gave Pacquiao hell.

Mayweather won't brawl. That isn't debateable. So, I want to see how Freddie will give an old dog new tricks. Because all that **** goes out the window once the fight gets hot. Ask any veteran pro boxer.

I agree with your points.

But I also know that Manny and Freddie is a great team and that they will come up with a game plan that Manny will execute.

That's one thing that I don't see Floyd has done on any 24/7 and from what he says and that is to study his opponents.

We will just have to wait and see how he adjust to Manny's style come fight night.

[slickfox]

KTFO ? lmao yea ....



Manny would be too fast.



How bout lets say.... Floyd move up to 175 and fight Chad Dawson? Why dont he? Oh wait wait its ok for Manny to jump 3 4 5 weight classes to fight an oscar at 154 but its not ok for floyd to jump?



You make no sense

floyd and manny fight in the same division....and I am telling you not to compare manny's win against dlh at 147, a weight he had LOTS of trouble making and just isnt natural at and floyd's win against a younger dlh at his natural weight of 154. Your example is typical dumb logic. if manny landed like 25% on clottey he will have trouble cracking 20% against floyd meaning the other 80% half of that time he will be getting countered by straight rights and no speed will help him in that aspect

[F l i c k e r]

You're describing 2001 Packy. This version is not like that. I never figured you for a hater...

I'm not hating. I'm speaking the truth.

Manny beat Hatton by a wide looping hook. Most of the gameplan was to duck under the hook and land with that weird angled punch. He did it the whole night.

He beat Cotto down with straights. His old style. Cotto just couldn't keep up at all.

He didn't know what to do against Clottey. Freddie told him go to the body. So Pacquiao, not knowing what the hell to do. Just threw as many punches as he could. Whether it hit arms or not. Even Jose Benevidez would have punched the openings in Clottey's guard, specially if Clottey fought like that.

So, as a result..... Pacquiao throws many straight punches. His variety of punch is horrible. His hooks are wide/loopy. He has learned head movement, but still isn't the hardest thing to hit. He doesn't bounce as much anymore, unless his opponent is mobile (Cotto 1-3 rnds). If his opponent is stationary, he won't bounce like he used to.


I understand that you don't like Mayweather but this isn't hating. It's taking what Pacquiao does, comparing it to what Floyd does. If Floyd can't get used to Pacquiao's speed, then it's over. If Floyd can adjust, then Pacquiao is done, he's too easy to predict. That is the factor that will decide this fight. If Pacquiao's speed is too much for Floyd.

[feefiflofum]

i'm not hating. I'm speaking the "truth".

manny beat hatton by a wide looping hook. Most of the gameplan was to duck under the hook and land with that weird angled punch. He did it the whole night. This was his strategy but i just can't see why he doesn't fight text-book style.Man..

He beat cotto down with straights. His old style. Cotto just couldn't keep up at all.
Forget the fact that, he used his superior footwork, head, body movement to dictate the range as well as the pace of the fight when it came to pac's offense and defense as well as right/left hooks and uppercuts which knocked him down.

He didn't know what to do against clottey. He should have known what to do when someone just covers up in a turtle-shell and there's no possible way to hit him but freddie told him go to the body. Man why didn't he know??? So pacquiao, not knowing what the hell to do. Just threw as many punches as he could. I forgot manny baited him to punch back by letting his guard down because that was the only way he would possibly open up. Still It's weak so NYAA!!Whether it hit arms or not. Even jose benevidez would have punched the openings in clottey's guard, specially if clottey fought like that.If Pac can't do it jose benevidez can, He's pound for pound.

so, as a result..... Pacquiao throws many straight punches. His variety of punch is horrible. His hooks are wide/loopy. He has learned head movement, but still isn't the hardest thing to hit. He doesn't bounce as much anymore, unless his opponent is mobile (cotto 1-3 rnds). If his opponent is stationary, he won't bounce like he used to.
Why can't he be text-book?? GOD!


I understand that you don't like mayweather but this isn't hating. Just trying to marginalize pac. It's taking what pacquiao does worse in my opinion, comparing it to what floyd does best. If floyd can't get used to pacquiao's speed, then it's over. If floyd can adjust, then pacquiao is done, he's too easy to predict. That is the factor that will decide this fight. If pacquiao's speed is too much for floyd.

Because i am a hater

fixed...... Lol

[bmoffitt18]

Manny's speed is light years ahead of floyd. Floyd isnt that slow but Manny, oh man Floyd wont see whats coming. Look at Ricky Hatton. He never saw what was coming and something similar may happen to Floyd. Quote me on this









Manny is the greatest fighter fighting right now

WAIT....THE GREAT RICKY HATTON DIDNT SEE THOSE PUNCHES COMING??!?!!!?!??!


The same ricky hatton who is the defensive guru of boxing right?

[RubenSonny]

fixed...... Lol

what was the question?

[mikemurni]

all some of you guys talk about is Speed and Power...Boxing is more then just that, you can't just say "The guy with the most speed, power and/or Size will win"

STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!!! how many times must that quote be posted for some of you to understand, some people post the same **** over and over "well Manny beat Oscar when everyone said he wouldn't so that is why he is going to beat Mayweather" ??? that makes absolutely no ****in sense WTF does that have to do with fighting Mayweather? some of you just need to admit that your not truly a boxing fan...your just a fan of a Boxer and all you want to do is see him win because just by reading some of these comments people truly expose themselves

You use this quote without even understanding the concept behind it. So let me get your facts straight.

Outboxer (Ali, Hearns)
Swarmer (Frazier, Greb)
Mid-ring general (Louis, Hopkins)
Slugger/brawler (Foreman, Barkley)

the swarmer stylistically is set up to take advantage of the outboxer
the outboxer can outmaneuvre the slugger
the slugger can possibly score ko's over the mid-ring general
the mid-ring man can take advantage of the swarmer's advances

the term 'mid-ring general' is probably not descriptive enough though, we have counter-punchers, defensive minded types, or all-round technicians.

So if we are going to follow just on the principle of "styles makes fights", it is still undefined technically who has the advantage since we dont know if Floyd can be consider as an out-boxer or mid-ring general. Nor we can classify if Pac is a slugger/brawler ,a swarmer, or even as a mid-ring general.

So both have the style to beat the other using this principle dependent on whether were you want to classify Pac and Floyd. Which also defeats your post altogether since you use this principle as if its a definitive conclusion that Pac is at a disadvantage, when clearly its not.

You have to classify which styles these two fighters belongs first then you draw your conclusion based on "styles makes fights" instead of mouthing off as if you know something. And let me tell you classifying their styles is not that easy because it differs in each fights dependent on who they were fighting.

[feefiflofum]

what was the question?

it was in the post.. something about manny being a southpaw and outspeeding mayweather, how exactly can mayweather fight that defensively and no im not talking about who has the best handspeed.. if u wanna talk relevant, u will have to put in perspective manny's footwork, body movement, what he does offensively while being defensive, how he counters.. and how mayweather has a key for everything.. SPEED HAS TO BE EMPHASIZE when analyzing because frankly.. manny is not fast at handspeed,if hes on a scale level of 1-10.. hes usually at 8 when it comes to everything about what he does.. again thats footwork, headmovement, jabs,

mayweather is like an 8 when it comes his jabs and straight cross.. everything else is slow
SPEED SPEED SPEED