Comments Thread For: Victor Conte Fires Shots at Nevada's Drug Testing Policy

[pistol whip]

Actually Floyd maintained it was about cleaning up the sport. In reality, he believes manny is cheating, he can't say that straight out because Manny would have the ammunition he needs for his defamation suit, which would not be necessary if he just agreed to the testing in the first place. Personally I've always thought Manny was clean until without good reason he turns down a multi-million dollar fight because of a more thorough drug testing protocol. It su****ious to me.

Floyd isn't saying it straight out but his camp is and thats close enough. And if this was really about cleaning up the sport he would be advocating for it in other peoples fights not just his. It's not like he is patitioning the commission or making his case to other boxing aficianados. He's only calling for it in "his" fights which does nothing to help his cause.

[Sugar Q]

Floyd isn't saying it straight out but his camp is and thats close enough. And if this was really about cleaning up the sport he would be advocating for it in other peoples fights not just his. It's not like he is patitioning the commission or making his case to other boxing aficianados. He's only calling for it in "his" fights which does nothing to help his cause.

Commissions are holding meetings, writers a writing about it, reporters are talking about it, and other world champions are co-signing it. Face it my dude whatever the agenda Floyd has touched on something that needed to be touched on.

[Elotero]

Accusing someone of wrong doing without proof in order to get them to do something they don't wanna do isn't Forcing/bullying/Manipulating a person?

How is wanting to ensure that you are fighting a guy who isnt doped up Forcing/bullying/Manipulating a person?

Last i checked they both get paid in the tens of millions Win/Lose or Draw

How is that force? Forced into a contract where you would make 40 million in one night? Doesnt make sense. Sounds like a fanboy trying to convince himself.

Ive read too many interviews with fighters who would do anything to be "forced" into that position. That only makes the "someone" you are talking about stick out like a sore thumb.

The only thing it "forces" is Pac stans and undercover pac fanboys to come to grips with the reality of "What if my favorite boxer in the whole entire 5 years ive been watching boxing is really a dope head?"

[S IP U IR S xII]

Commissions are holding meetings, writers a writing about it, reporters are talking about it, and other world champions are co-signing it. Face it my dude whatever the agenda Floyd has touched on something that needed to be touched on.

Its one thing had Floyd gone to the boxing authorities, and explored ways to implement better testing. Its another, when your camp is publicly slandering someone. This WAS NEVER ABOUT HIDING SOMETHING. This was about, who calls the "shots". As ive said before, one could make the argument, "Why has it taken Floyd 40 fights to consider there is a problem with drugs in sports?" One could also make the argument, "Why is Floyd tossing 50mil for a test. Is he now Floyd "Moral" Mayweather, and not Money?"

Im just saying that this has gotten out of hand, with both sides, i think starting to get personal. Sure it will make for a better storyline, and fight, but at the same time, its created a circus with this. The "fan boys" are the ones who say things like, "O Floyd is just scared", and "Manny is dirty, because Floyds camp, doesnt think that he could be that good, and tossed away 50 mil."

End of the day, Nevada would have to shell out money to get a consistent, stricter, drug testing protocol in place. So Boxing is just as much to blame as Floyd or Manny. No one is against better testing to catch people who are abusing a substance. The "fan boys" are against each other on who they think should dictate the rules. The "fan boys" are the people who always talk about Manny or Floyd, (along with the hate for that fighter, and they want THEIR fighter to be #1) with pure emotion, not really logic, reason, and objection.

In conclusion, all these wannabe overnight doctors that have appeared in the boxing community, that went to Wikipedia University, need to stop pretending that they have ANY clue what they are talking about. Copy and Paste from a link, does not make one know ANYTHING. Doctors never agree. Thats why you always ask for 2nd and 3rd opinions, and you will almost always get a different conclusion or answer.

Just my 2 cents on this whole thing i call a circus.

[pistol whip]

How is wanting to ensure that you are fighting a guy who isnt doped up Forcing/bullying/Manipulating a person?

By making a a big contraversy out of it. You can't sit here and tell me that Floyd couldn't of asked for OSDT without all the dramatics his camp made before the fight even went into negotiations the first time around.

[pistol whip]

Its one thing had Floyd gone to the boxing authorities, and explored ways to implement better testing. Its another, when your camp is publicly slandering someone. This WAS NEVER ABOUT HIDING SOMETHING. This was about, who calls the "shots". As ive said before, one could make the argument, "Why has it taken Floyd 40 fights to consider there is a problem with drugs in sports?" One could also make the argument, "Why is Floyd tossing 50mil for a test. Is he now Floyd "Moral" Mayweather, and not Money?"

Im just saying that this has gotten out of hand, with both sides, i think starting to get personal. Sure it will make for a better storyline, and fight, but at the same time, its created a circus with this. The "fan boys" are the ones who say things like, "O Floyd is just scared", and "Manny is dirty, because Floyds camp, doesnt think that he could be that good, and tossed away 50 mil."

End of the day, Nevada would have to shell out money to get a consistent, stricter, drug testing protocol in place. So Boxing is just as much to blame as Floyd or Manny. No one is against better testing to catch people who are abusing a substance. The "fan boys" are against each other on who they think should dictate the rules. The "fan boys" are the people who always talk about Manny or Floyd, (along with the hate for that fighter, and they want THEIR fighter to be #1) with pure emotion, not really logic, reason, and objection.

In conclusion, all these wannabe overnight doctors that have appeared in the boxing community, that went to Wikipedia University, need to stop pretending that they have ANY clue what they are talking about. Copy and Paste from a link, does not make one know ANYTHING. Doctors never agree. Thats why you always ask for 2nd and 3rd opinions, and you will almost always get a different conclusion or answer.

Just my 2 cents on this whole thing i call a circus.

I agree with this 100%! *******s and *****s have never really cared about cleaning up the sport to begin with. It has and always will be about their fighter simply getting their way.

[pistol whip]

Commissions are holding meetings, writers a writing about it, reporters are talking about it, and other world champions are co-signing it. Face it my dude whatever the agenda Floyd has touched on something that needed to be touched on.

I agree to bad that was never his intentions! Again I'm not not saying better testing is a bad thing, what I am saying is that Floyds intentions were never to clean up the sport in the first place.

[iskupaldi]

Without the Commission in Boxing there is no professional boxing. They make the rules and sanction the fights, so the boxers must abide by them. The boxers that don't like it, then go to another sports. None of this was an issue till Mayweather decided to "clean-up the sports" as what he claims. Bottom line is for Mayweather is his Bottom line, and that is he gets paid Millions. I am not surprise if he retires for good. Why would he risked his 0 to fight Pacquiao? He already had his millions from Mosley. He does not care for any of his fans and detractors comment. He is an ungrateful ***** to the sport that made him millions. The world of Boxing thanks you for what you are doing to it now Jr., Conte is a cheat and a liar, yeah go take his word for it.

[Ray*]

I don't understand how he can expect anybody to believe this is true. It's my opinion that Dr. Voy is either ignorant regarding the benefits of EPO as a PED for boxers or he has an agenda that I fail to completely understand.

If I were to select the single most powerful PED available to a boxer today, it would be EPO because it can have enormously beneficial effects upon performance. Even though only a tiny amount of blood is drawn for testing, Voy discouraged it by claiming, 'it can be dangerous.' This statement is merely propaganda as far as I'm concerned.

On the contrary, not testing for an excessive level of red blood cells that could lead to a stroke or even death from the abuse of EPO is what is dangerous. Dr. David Watson supported Voy's views by saying, 'I believe that urine is the best substance to test,' and that 'blood testing is not necessary.'

This makes no sense. Only a blood test, not a urine test, can determine the thickness of a boxer's blood, which could help to avoid serious health consequences.

Ouch.

Well we tried telling people yesterday but people are too dumb to understand little basic things. Those two doctors testimony were flawed and it shows the NSAC are not really serious about stringent random drug testing.

[cixthree]

what???


it's up to the promoters to pay for the OST.....not the fighters.


floyd is not "making up rules," he's requesting a stipulation in a contract, just like fighters do when they request catchweights. floyd having an unfair advantage b/c he requests OST's?


you're right about 1 thing tho, other fighters are free to decline OST's, and the public is free to draw their own conclusions as to WHY.

By making a a big contraversy out of it. You can't sit here and tell me that Floyd couldn't of asked for OSDT without all the dramatics his camp made before the fight even went into negotiations the first time around.

Floyd Sr comments didn't make it a circus, Mannys refusal/excuses made it a circus. It seems like you don't see anything strange or odd about that, you seem to overlook that fact.
You go rite to blaming Sr for making a comment, which few took serious I mite ad. To blaming him for how big it got, without even looking at the way Manny refused.

It was only when Manny refused/didn't step up when it got peoples attention. Sure Sr could've went about it different, and so could Manny. But the point is they didn't, neither side handled it well.
So now we're left in limbo

PEDs are real, they are being used. There is no fool proof test, the testing now is a joke. Yes it cost, but what doesn't. It has to start somewhere, why not for this fight.
Instead of seeming so stone wallish, find a way to make it work. All I hear from you is basically how much it cost, its not effective blah blah blah.
Its real, deal with it