Urine TKOs blood in Nevada boxing drug testing debate

[shogunn]

the whole point is, urine will suffice for 14 days, and blood isnt necessary. Even that crook Conte commented on this.

HGH wont make someone turn into hulk in 14 days, 12 considering the test from start and beginning. From what the experts have been saying, the benefits of HGH are measured over time. And theyre more for bodybuilders bulking up, or nursing serious injury.

Youd probably get more use from a 5 hour energy drink during an event that you would a dose of HGH, in my opinion

but hey, you need to test for it all since theres only been 1 user caught in 8 years, and who knows, maybe theyll get lucky and catch someone in day 5. We all know HGH can turn Bruce Banner into Hulk in a matter of seconds.

[check hook]

You are all against USADA testing. How does that make any sense when the established alternative is inferior???

Can anyone refute that USADA testing protocol is superior to that of the NSAC?????

[Vasyl’s dad]

2 boxers fight. Both boxers must submit to USADA testing protocol. Therefore 100% of the athletes participating will be tested. Floyd will be tested just like Manny.

More than 2 boxers fight all the time for position in the rankings to work their way up to champion status.

So, no, 100% of the athletes won't be tested.

[brick wall]

You are all against USADA testing. How does that make any sense when the established alternative is inferior???

Can anyone refute that USADA testing protocol is superior to that of the NSAC?????

saying something negative about tygart doesn't mean you are against ost. that guy is just not behaving properly right now for somebody who is an outsider in pro boxing. he's definitely pushing his own agenda/interest in this issue and he is not ashamed to do it.

[check hook]

More than 2 boxers fight all the time for position in the rankings to work their way up to champion status.

So, no, 100% of the athletes won't be tested.

It will work the same way it does in every other sport.....on a sliding scale. Those at the upper echelons will be tested more frequently than those at the lower rungs of the sport. This maintains the integrity of the sport as it's most recognisable participants undergo PED testing frequently and especially in periods of training for fights.


I'm not sure what your argument is here....that somehow PED testing is worthless because it operates on a sliding scale????

[mikemurni]

fair enough......but that doesn't address my question??

Whose testing protocols are superior? The NSAC or USADA?


Let me help you out:


USADA:

- Random/unnanounced blood and urine testing day or night, where the athletes must make thier movements known to USADA. A comprehensive list (sourced from WADA) of banned substances is tested for, and B samples are stored legally for 8 years. This means cheaters on previously undetectable substances can be exposed in the future.


NSAC

- Announced urine testing and no blood testing. No blood testing automatically precludes the NSAC from detecting athletes using HGH, blood transfusion and other HBOC's. No B sample taken for storage. They take urine, but don't test it for EPO.

-------> SSM used EPO, Modanofil, The Cream and The Clear. He was not caught by any state commission ever.

Thats what the meeting was for..to come up with a balance testing for blood and urine. It doesnt have to be either/or but both.

The purpose of that meeting was to change some policy by NSAC with USADA being the advisor for that change.

But if USADA will keep on sending lawyers and PR men instead of their scientist, then they will be no use for NSAC and would make the agency look like fools when the discussion drills down to specifics.

Remember this is a public caucus so what ever happens there is always on the record which are accessible by the media. At the same time despite being a public meeting, they are no longer doing press releases. The discussion is now all about specifics back up with scientific evidence which a person like Tygart is not qualified to answer.

[check hook]

saying something negative about tygart doesn't mean you are against ost. that guy is just not behaving properly right now for somebody who is an outsider in pro boxing. he's definitely pushing his own agenda/interest in this issue and he is not ashamed to do it.

fair enough.........but he is pushing USADA's agenda.......USADA's agenda is better testing in all sports.

So you think the numerous alphabet bodies (who take % of purses for championship fights for doing nothing other than providing rankings that don't make sense) promoters and state commissions who all suckle from the teat of the men who battle in the ring can't cough up a very small percentage of the pool of money they have their fingers in to maintain the integrity of the sport?

[Vasyl’s dad]

It will work the same way it does in every other sport.....on a sliding scale. Those at the upper echelons will be tested more frequently than those at the lower rungs of the sport. This maintains the integrity of the sport as it's most recognisable participants undergo PED testing frequently and especially in periods of training for fights.


I'm not sure what your argument is here....that somehow PED testing is worthless because it operates on a sliding scale????

If its not across the board for all fighters,

its worthless. Doesn't matter what tier they're on.

You test all or none.

Same as all the other sports.

All or none. Not just who one competitor wants to single out.

Even with your "sliding scale",

all participants are checked.

Not a select few. Perhaps some more than others,

but all are required to be a part of the same program.

[check hook]

If its not across the board for all fighters,

its worthless. Doesn't matter what tier they're on.

You test all or none.

Same as all the other sports.

All or none. Not just who one competitor wants to single out.

Even with your "sliding scale",

all participants are checked.

Not a select few. Perhaps some more than others,

but all are required to be a part of the same program.

So it's worthless at an olympic level aswell.

So it's also worthless for Tour De France riders.


in short it's worthless to begin with???????


the testing covers 100% of participants. All 100% can be tested, practically thios occurs on a sliding scale.....it doesn't mean 100% will be tested, but they will sporadically test at the lower rungs to act as a deterrent to those thinking of circumventing the rules.

Again your argument and reasoning is fallacious.

[brick wall]

fair enough.........but he is pushing USADA's agenda.......USADA's agenda is better testing in all sports.

So you think the numerous alphabet bodies (who take % of purses for championship fights for doing nothing other than providing rankings that don't make sense) promoters and state commissions who all suckle from the teat of the men who battle in the ring can't cough up a very small percentage of the pool of money they have their fingers in to maintain the integrity of the sport?

listen...ost or any other form of testing that is better than the current testing is very much acceptable. but for tygart, this guy should wait for his agency to get accredited or even considered before he opens his mouth. he was contracted by gbp and he's already acting like some authority in pro boxing. these alphabet bodies or state commissions, whether they're corrupt or not, they have something that usada doesn't have over pro boxing. it is what it is...and it's not an assurance that if tygart and usada will take over boxing testing/regulations corruption will be gone.