Video Analysis - Greatest Fighters Of All Time

[Toney616]

I do agree that Williams was past it.

But ALi wasn't in his prime when Williams was. Ali wasn't even in his prime when he fought Williams.

Anyway some people say the liston performance was better like George chuvalo in "facing ali". So I can use that performance(S) aswell. The anchor punch was equally as impressive.

But that still doesn't negate the fact that he was able to drop a fairly good chinned opponent going backwards. Bearing in mind that he wasn't a puncher whereas ray Robinson was.

Ali's performance against Liston has to be considered much better due to the fact he was fighting a live dominant opponent, not a shot fighter who had no business being near a ring, let alone fighting in one

[NChristo]

Meh. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion I suppose. But it did make me wonder why Jack Johnson never caught on with black folks the way Joe Louis did.

Because Jack Blackburn hated Jack Johnson and the way that he projected himself to the public, he turned Joe Louis into the exact opposite of Johnson and even turned Johnson away when he offered to help train Louis.

Johnson made the prediction that Schmeling would beat Louis because of an opening in his defense, look what happened, Louis is top 2 HW, he couldn't of got much greater but I wonder what Johnson could of done with him.

[NChristo]

Jack Johnson?

What is a great boxer? Is it boxing ability?

He was a great brawler at the time. The best in the world and the biggest draw in his time. A serious bad boy with the court cases but the likes of Tyson, Tunney and Marciano were better heavyweight boxers.

Johnson was not a brawler, he was a defensive genius with amazing footwork, power to boast and unmatched ring IQ he should be recognized as a greater HW then Tunney, Marciano and Tyson.

[Vadrigar.]

Ali's performance against Liston has to be considered much better due to the fact he was fighting a live dominant opponent, not a shot fighter who had no business being near a ring, let alone fighting in one

fine I agree with you. What's the problem then?

[Toney616]

Johnson made the prediction that Schmeling would beat Louis because of an opening in his defense, look what happened, Louis is top 2 HW, he couldn't of got much greater but I wonder what Johnson could of done with him.

Jack was playa hating, but he was right. Louis carried his left, way to low. I think Walcott dropped him twice with the right hand as well

[Toney616]

fine I agree with you. What's the problem then?

No problem, its just that I don't think Ali's kds of Williams mean anything about Alis punching power. He remained a relatively light hitter through out his career

[NChristo]

Jack was playa hating, but he was right. Louis carried his left, way to low. I think Walcott dropped him twice with the right hand as well

Yah, I know he was hating, he made some predictions that were wrong about how Louis was going to get beat but still he was probably the only person in America that thought Schmeling wasn't just another person that was going to get destroyed by Louis.

[Toney616]

Yah, I know he was hating, he made some predictions that were wrong about how Louis was going to get beat but still he was probably the only person in America that thought Schmeling wasn't just another person that was going to get destroyed by Louis.

Live fast and let someone else pay for the funeral
- Mark Kram's description of Jack's approach to life, lol

[Vadrigar.]

No problem, its just that I don't think Ali's kds of Williams mean anything about Alis punching power. He remained a relatively light hitter through out his career

Well I think he had descent enough power to get an opponent out of there. In no way is it light hitting. In no way is it a punchers shot either.

The backwards knockdown proves that Ali had picked up some tricks along the way from ray robinson. He also knocked an opponent out going backwards.

It's common knowledge that Ali emulated SRR's style throughout his first career.

[Toney616]

Well I think he had descent enough power to get an opponent out of there. In no way is it light hitting. In no way is it a punchers shot either.

The backwards knockdown proves that Ali had picked up some tricks along the way from ray robinson. He also knocked an opponent out going backwards.

It's common knowledge that Ali emulated SRR's style throughout his first career.

He should of stuck with Archie Moore, imo. I have never been impressed with Robinson's and subsequently Ali's defense