Was Erik Morales in his prime for the 2nd and 3rd Pac fights?

[mikemurni]

Well IMDAZED, no disrespect intended but this thread is about what I stated. If you believe you are sitting in the line of fire, sorry but this thread has Pac attack (discreditting) written all over it! Don't tell me that you can't see it?

You have to be consistent. If you are sayin that Morales fought weak against Pac, then you can say the same thing about Corrales when he fought Floyd.

The fact that both fighters were able to get their strength back at fight night, and didnt fight weak is already a credit for both Pac and Floyd. But you cannot give credit to Floyd, and not give credit to Pac. Otherwise, you have an agenda as like some poster here says.

[ADP02]

I don't think I care. I'm not taking it personally like you are. The fact is, the TS is asking if Morales was in his prime and he wasn't. That has continued to Morales' conditioning for the fight. However, if you simply aren't focused enough to realize that my argument has nothing to do with Floyd then I can't help you.

I guess you really had no idea why he really put this thread forward. Nothing to do with Morales ..... but you have your own feelings about that as you stated. No problem .... gotta go for now.

By the way, where is Zamunda?

[ADP02]

Dont apologize. You have to be consistent. If you are sayin that Morales fought weak against Pac, then you can say the same thing about Corrales when he fought Floyd.

The fact that both fighters were able to get their strength back at fight night, and didnt fight weak is already a credit for both fighters. But you cannot give credit to Floyd, and not give credit to Pac. Otherwise, you have an agenda as like some poster here says.

I'm still sticking to my guns. If someone does not want to get into it then I can't force them..... but deep down inside we both know the truth!

[IMDAZED]

I guess you really had no idea why he really put this thread forward. Nothing to do with Morales ..... but you have your own feelings about that as you stated. No problem .... gotta go for now.

By the way, where is Zamunda?

His motives don't change the question. Nor does it change the fact you and the other guy are now pretending Corrales was weight drained just to justify your argument. Such nonsense from both sides. Well, like your Corrales theory, Zamunda doesn't exist.

[Ray*]

You have to be consistent. If you are sayin that Morales fought weak against Pac, then you can say the same thing about Corrales when he fought Floyd.

The fact that both fighters were able to get their strength back at fight night, and didnt fight weak is already a credit for both Pac and Floyd. But you cannot give credit to Floyd, and not give credit to Pac. Otherwise, you have an agenda as like some poster here says.

Corrales fought at 130 many more times after fighting Mayweather at 130, In fact he only moved up in 2004 to 135, Morales on the other hand never fought at 130 apart from when Pacquiao dragged him there, So that shows who was drained and having weight problems between Morales and corrales.

[mikemurni]

To answer the TS question:
1. Was EM past his prime in all 3 fights: yes
2. Was he still a top fighter / elite fighter at the rematch: yes
3. Was EM dehydrated and killed himself to make weight at the weigh in: yes
4. Was EM able to hydrate and get his strength back at fight night: yes
5. Should Pac deserve credit for the Morales rematch: yes
6. Was Morales shot at the third fight: yes
7. Should Pac deserve credit for the rubbermatch: no

Thats all this argument is about if you want to take out the link between this one and all the other bull**** thread about Floyd and Pac

[IMDAZED]

Corrales fought at 130 many more times after fighting Mayweather at 130, In fact he only moved up in 2004 to 135, Morales on the other hand never fought at 130 apart from when Pacquiao dragged him there, So that shows who was drained and having weight problems between Morales and corrales.

Man, these dudes are just making up **** for the sake of debate. Can't respect that. And they wanna crap on the TS? How about finding a mirror first? How the heck do you compare Morales' situation to Corrales who went to jail for a year and came back to the same division???

[mikemurni]

Corrales fought at 130 many more times after fighting Mayweather at 130, In fact he only moved up in 2004 to 135, Morales on the other hand never fought at 130 apart from when Pacquiao dragged him there, So that shows who was drained and having weight problems between Morales and corrales.

You can make that case on his next few fights but against Floyd, Corales was clearly having problems making weight.

Making weight its not the same for every fight. It depends on the fighters weight and condition by the time he starts his training camp. Because it will depend on how much weight he has to shed off for the weigh in.

Pac was dehydrated himself in the Barrera rematch but fought JMM in his next fight at the same weight.

[IMDAZED]

You can make that case on his next few fights but against Floyd, Corales was clearly having problems making weight.

Making weight its not the same for every fight. It depends on the fighters weight and condition by the time he starts his training camp. Because it will depend on how much weight he has to shed off for the weigh in.

Pac was dehydrated himself in the Barrera rematch but fought JMM in his next fight at the same weight.

So then where did you find out that Corrales had difficulty making weight for only the Mayweather fight?

[mindreader]

PAC wasn't in his prime yet so it evens out