~Floyd and Manny Pacquiao: FOTD Year by Year~

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He fought Zab Judah and he also fought the Number 1 WW in the world.

How can you knock that?

lmao, can't even type the words "carlos baldomir" huh? i feel ya, i'd prolly get goosebumps myself if i tried to say beating baldo would even come close to beating morales (prime or past prime).

[Khalid X]

Regardless of what you think about Morales that fought Manny in the second and third fight is this:

That Morales>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that version of Zab that fought Floyd.

Larios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I don't wanna go on any more in fear of hurting my fingers..lol) Carlos Baldomir

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Regardless of what you think about Morales that fought Manny in the second and third fight is this:

That Morales>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that version of Zab that fought Floyd.

Larios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I don't wanna go on any more in fear of hurting my fingers..lol) the Number 1 WW in the world.

much easier to type that way...

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

For each year from 2000-2009.

Who "won" that year in your eyes?

I go like this:

2000- Floyd
2001- Floyd
2002- Floyd
2003- Pac
2004- Floyd
2005- Floyd
2006- Floyd
2007- Floyd
2008- Pac
2009-Pac

2000: Floyd beat Emmanuel Augutsus. Pac beat some dude named Kon-Chae and in the Hussein fight was almost KO'd by a jab.

2001: Pac had 4 scraps was very active. However his best win was against Ledwaba. Floyd beat P4Pounder Diego Corralles and Jesus Chavez.

2002: Floyd beat Castillo twice. Pac beat Jorge Eliecer Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym.

2003: You have to give to Pac for the MAB win.

In 2004: Floyd beat Chop Chop. Pac had a draw with JMM and beat 3K.

2005: I gave 05 to Floyd because Manny lost a fight, to a past it Morales nontheless.

2006: Floyd beat Judah and Baldomir 2 out of 3 of the Top WW's and won the 147 Lineal Title. In that same year Pac beat a shot Morales twice and beat Oscar Larios.

2007: Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton. Pac beat a shot MAB and Solis.

2008: Floyd was retired.

2009: Floyd beat JMM in a tune up. Pac had Cotto. He gett that year.

Year by year its interesting.

Bumped.......................

[whirlwind]

For each year from 2000-2009.

Who "won" that year in your eyes?

I go like this:

2000- Floyd
2001- Floyd
2002- Floyd
2003- Pac
2004- Floyd
2005- Floyd
2006- Floyd
2007- Floyd
2008- Pac
2009-Pac

2000: Floyd beat Emmanuel Augutsus. Pac beat some dude named Kon-Chae and in the Hussein fight was almost KO'd by a jab.

2001: Pac had 4 scraps was very active. However his best win was against Ledwaba. Floyd beat P4Pounder Diego Corralles and Jesus Chavez.

2002: Floyd beat Castillo twice. Pac beat Jorge Eliecer Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym.

2003: You have to give to Pac for the MAB win.

In 2004: Floyd beat Chop Chop. Pac had a draw with JMM and beat 3K.

2005: I gave 05 to Floyd because Manny lost a fight, to a past it Morales nontheless.

2006: Floyd beat Judah and Baldomir 2 out of 3 of the Top WW's and won the 147 Lineal Title. In that same year Pac beat a shot Morales twice and beat Oscar Larios.

2007: Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton. Pac beat a shot MAB and Solis.

2008: Floyd was retired.

2009: Floyd beat JMM in a tune up. Pac had Cotto. He gett that year.

Year by year its interesting.

So by saying 2000-2009 = FOTD. Floyd is more deserving on this FOTD award than Pac right? Oh I get it but last time I checked my dictionary and still not satisfied I google it. Did you know that 1 decade = 10 years? and Floyd retired for two years. Pac loss to Morales and wins against other boxers >>> retired ducking prime Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Oscar rematch.

[treason1]

cry all you want its not going to chane anything . MANILLA ICE FOTD Chicken little ducker of the malinium

[jrosales13]

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade.

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac

2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.)

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac.

So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid.

Stopping Morales for the first time off a stinky loss to a stinky style is better than safely decisioning an Oscar whose only win in three plus years coming in was Mayorga.

Yes.

Oscar was a better win than David Diaz for sure though. I'll even give you that Oscar was a better win for Floyd than Manny.

Yes and I could be persuaded that it's 6-4 because Floyd's 05 was such epic garbage but winning against junk should at least count for a little against losing.

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[jrosales13]

There is no case for Floyd over Manny in 04. They both won a fight against a guy they were supposed to beat AND Manny adds a draw in a classic with a HOFer. Done. Manny.

How? Take the titles out and look harder. Morales was coming off a loss and so was Judah. Judah was almost stopped by a Baldomir who rates as one of the worst Welter champs ever. Morales lost an ugly fight to an ugly style. Morales is about ten times the fighter Judah is on any day. Morales and Larios were still flat out better fighters than Baldomir at that point. 2006 was a slam dunk year for Manny and got voted that way across the board for a reason. Floyd wasn't even the first runner-up.

The DLH win wasn't better than Morales II. DLH-Mayweather was a pedestrian outing from Floyd, a fundamentally sound, no risks performance. Pacquiao-Morales II sometimes gets overlooked but was a good fight. Morales wasn't shot; he was competing and in the fight until Manny found his right and a body attack and beat it out of Terible. It wasn't just that he beat him; he stopped a guy whose will was as awesome as any fighter I've ever seen.

It could easily have been Floyd. Two things hurt him. He basically took 2003-05 off. His competition was bad in that period; when the best fighter you fight in a span of three years and six fights is Corley, something went wrong. It was the worst run any HBO fighter was allowed to get away with since either Roy's Super Middle reign or Oscar's protected period between Pernell and Ike. The retirement hurt as well, taking him out of the game long enough to let Pacquiao polish his resume. Had Floyd been active, he likely ends up with a Cotto or Mosley after the Oscar rematch, locking Pacquiao out below 147.

Cliff Rold's Knowledge > NSB

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What was the point of that? He's my favorite writer and he knows his ****. I disagree with him on this.