Fighter of the Decade????

[cortdawg25]

this comment is as ****** as the one that started this thread.

Judah was one fight removed from the welter title. I hated that floyd took that off the baldo loss but judah was still certainly a top contender to the title he'd just lost. Baldo was the lineal champ; that didn't make him a particularly good fighter as much as a good story but being the world champ would have to fit what you said. Oscar was still a top five jr. Middle (at least) and ricky hatton was the undefeated world champion a whole whopping one division below floyd.

Hell, even corley and gatti were both legit top ten at jr. Welter.

oscar was more than a top 5, he was beltholder!!!

[cortdawg25]

i wasn't comparing anything. Your moving target argument doesn't change what you asked. You asked if floyd could be named foty under the conditions you prescribed. The answer is he already did. You didn't ask if he could do it again.

what's your point? I've been assuming that u believe that pacquiao is deserving of the accolades. Make some arguments that suggest so!

[Ray*]

I kinda understand but because of the way Manny came through the lower lower weights up to 145, And he was more than exciting in a way than any other fighter in the last 10 years, And he has the "What have you done for me lately" thing about him.

I dont think he should be an overwhelming winner because i think people like Mayweather,Hopkins,Mosley,de la hoya have done alot from 2000-2009 but Manny is hot at the moment so its to be expected.

[cortdawg25]

the dlh win wasn't better than morales ii. Dlh-mayweather was a pedestrian outing from floyd, a fundamentally sound, no risks performance. Pacquiao-morales ii sometimes gets overlooked but was a good fight. Morales wasn't shot; he was competing and in the fight until manny found his right and a body attack and beat it out of terible. It wasn't just that he beat him; he stopped a guy whose will was as awesome as any fighter i've ever seen.

so floyd beating a champion in oscar is not better win than pacquiao beating morales after a lost to raheem?

[p4p10]

its got to be mayweather. id put pac-man up there but in terms of concistensy you have got to hand it to lil floyd. he has beaten genuine world champs one after the other and has been making his way through the weights and picking up ABC's since the mid 00's were as manny has only really hit his peak in the last few years or so.

[jpunieves]

ask the experts who voted for pac as the fighter of the decade... stop whining. envy kills... tsk tsk tsk.

if only pbf fought a welterweight when he returned... that's it. all pac's vote go to pbf's. what happened? he fought JMM. damn it

[crold1]

manny fought no one from 00 -03…nobody really! After the 1st jmm fight he spent 04 thru 06 fighting some guy name battery, over the hill morales and lost, velazquez, washed up morales, larios after a dfeat, and an even more washed morales.


In 03, floyd fought an ndou who was knocking everyone out he fought. He fought chop chop, and gatti . He even moved to another division to fight the undisputed champ in judah.


So by your logic, defending you newly crowned lw title against a guy with crazy kos, moving to another a division and becoming champion, and then moving to another division to make your name there is the worst run by any hbo fighter. But beating up on ol’ washed up morales twice within a couple of yrs is a ok with u…unbeleivebale!

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade.

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac

2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.)

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac.

So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid.

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PACQUIAO
Arnel Barotillo 22-9-3/ 3/4/00
Seung-Kon Chae 23-0/ 6/28/00
Nedal Hussein 19-0/ 10/14/00
Tetsutora Senrima 19-4-3/ 2/24/01
Wethya Sakmuangklang 41-3/ 4/28/01
Lehlohononlo Ledwaba 33-1-1/ 6/23/01
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2/ 11-10-01 DRAW
Jorge Julio 44-3/ 6/8/02
Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym 37-2/ 10/26/02
Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov 17-5-1/ 3/15/03
Emmanuel Lucero 21-0-1/ 7/26/03
MAB 57-3/ 11-15-03
Jmm 42-2/ 5/8/04 DRAW
Fahsan battery 44-7-1 12/11/04
Erik Morales 47-2 3/19/05 lost
Hector Velazquez 42-10-2/ 9/10/05
Erik Morales 48-3/ 1/21/06
Oscar larios 56-4-1/ 7/2/06
Erik Morlaes 48-4/ 11-18-06
Jorge Solis 33-0-2/ 4/14/07
MAB 63-5/ 10/6/07
JMM 48-3-1/ 3/15/08
David Diaz 34-1-1/ 6/28/08
Oscar De La Hoya 39-5/ 12/6/08
Ricky Hatton 45-1/ 5/2/09
Miguel Cotto 34-1/ 11/14/09




who the hell is these people in Italics? From 2000 -2003, he fought nobody. And in between 2003 -2007, he had some garbage fights and this is our Fighter of the Decade?

Give it up man. Your attempts to discredit Pac are futile at best. Boxing experts voted and its done. Floyd's a great fighter and he has accomplished alot, just not as much as Pac. If you're gonna blame anyone, blame Floyd, he's the one that decided to take 2 years off. If he would've stuck around, fought Cotto,Mosley, Margarito, there would be no doubt he would be the fighter of the decade, but he didn't so he ain't.

[Left Banned Tua]

after the 1st JMM fight, I think pacquiao fought like 7 -8 times without facing the top contender of the division he was in....

after the 1st marquez fight he fought morales a few months later , idiot.

morales was #2 at 130 at the time.

why didn't he fight #1 at 130? because it was barrera who he whooped a year earlier.



and if you don't know who lehlo ledwaba , joel julio and agapito sanchez is , you just need to shut the hell up.

ledwaba was an hbo fighter. julio was on the tyson-lewis undercard , one of the biggest fights ever. agapito is very well known and fought many great fighters.

all 3 were champions and all 3 were well known by boxing fans.

[Gutz]

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade.

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac

2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.)

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac.

So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid.

Nice post..