Is Mayweather the quickest AND most "accurate" boxer in history?

[hectari]

I wonder what some of these guys would think if they ever saw Hector Camacho's display of speed, punching accuracy, and domination against Bazooka Limon, which was slightly more impressive than Mayweather's recent display on Saturday night (and against an opponent at least of Gatti's equal).

I don't hear Camacho's name being mentioned alongside the greatest legends of the sport, do you?

^hahaha camacho next you gonna compare floyd to prince naseem! haah

[hectari]

Dude, it always happens!

A modern fighter puts on an excellant display of boxing skills and so many fans are quick to jump on the wagon and proclaim that fighter/display up there in the "all-time" or "greatest ever" categories (Mayweaher does deserve props, but...*shakes head*)

Just ride it out for a little while.

^wtf? I am not one of those bandwagoners you speak of I have been saying this for a while about mayweather! ever since he was a prospect! The guy is incredible. He is the ultimate prodigy.

[J !]

You are illogical! Just because he beat gatti?hahah wtf? how dumb you act like we are ******. Mayweather has been great before gatti! so many people recognize his gifts even maxboxing write doug fischer who is a fan of willie pep and historian says Floyd is the most gifted and smart fighter he has ever seen!


The gatti vs mayweather fight was a fight showing a guy GATTI who would be a LEGEND in the 1940s and 50s getting took apart by a quick jab and defensive skills and combos. I will tell you gatti is a throwback his style is how they used to fight back then!

so what mate, he is a journo like i am just he has spent longer doing it.


and theres no need to start calling names or you can **** off and talk to someone else cos i wont reply.

James Mcdonnell a good friend of mine writes for max-boxing, i chose to write for someone else, you talk like max boxing is the mecca and dougie the all seing god?

its not that difficult to get into and while Doug is a good journo I dont agree with him on this issue.

Gatti woudnt have even been a name in the 40s and 50s dont be so ******.

[J !]

^wtf? I am not one of those bandwagoners you speak of I have been saying this for a while about mayweather! ever since he was a prospect! The guy is incredible. He is the ultimate prodigy.

nuff said go away silly little man.

youre a complete nuthugger.

you are comapring one of the greatest fighters probably top five ever in Pep and mentioning Mayweather in the same breath.

GO AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

[Yogi]

^how many videos you seen of pep? were you alive back then? I saw the pep vs saddler and he got hit alot and his style was left open for someone with super fast quickness like floyd. Did you see how they boxed? did anyone counter punch as solid and juan manuel marquez or floyd mayweather jr??? he is advanced, the reason he nearly lost the castillo fight the first time was because he never WATCHS tapes of his fighters! I bet he watched and studied castillo the 2nd time.

Whoops!

Sorry dude, but I missed this question the first time by. To answer your first question, I'm sure I've seen more, but I currently have only three fights of Pep's in my possession (and unfortuntely, they're all of him past his prime...after the plane crash). I have about seven rounds of his fourth fight with Saddler, about four rounds of a fight against Savoie, and the his fight against Cardelli.

I've seen enough of a post-prime, Pep to see that he still had great skills even after the crash. Your judging Pep strictly on ONE fight against a fighter who is considered one of the greatest featherweights of all-time? Tell you what, since it's a practice that's a little easier to do...Watch Ali vs. Cleveland Williams and then watch Ali vs. Joe Frazier, and notice how much better Ali looks against the inferior opponent in Williams. It's funny how fighting a fellow great fighter makes you look less dominating, isn't it?

Even though he was past it in those fights that I have, Pep still displays excellant defensive skills, as he still had loads of that ability. He ducks, he slips, he frequently side-steps left and right, he blocks, he feints, he parrys...that's only a few of the things he did to make himself elusive, and he did all of those things while still having excellant quickness.

*Edit*

Oh, and yes I've seen fighters from that era who "counter punched as solid" as Marquez or Mayweather...For one , have you ever heard of or even saw the great lightweight from that era, Ike Williams?

[realheavyhands]

meldrick taylor was rediculous...fastest hands ever

[IwatchBoxing]

nuff said go away silly little man.

youre a complete nuthugger.

you are comapring one of the greatest fighters probably top five ever in Pep and mentioning Mayweather in the same breath.

GO AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

If a fighters human, and doesnt KO everyone he faces in RD 1, than I dont see how we cannot compare them. Mayweather will no doubt become of the greatest fighters ever, I think today people judge fighters too harshly, since when is a loss, or messing up make a fighter suck? I think Mayweather can **** with anyone in his class. Old fighters sweated, and felt pain just like everyone esle. Mayweather has Pep, potentional. Tho today boxing isnt what it use to be, meaning fighters dont fight as much, but I think they just dont fight for fun anyone, only top condenters now.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000043

[Floydmayweather]

I think Mayweahter is still to young to be compared to Pep or Duran but he could be on there level. Could PBF beat Pep maybe hard to tell but i think yes Pep was always a step and a half ahead on speed against oppenents but not against PBF it would be close. As for Duran i think he would beat him simply because of his defense.

A final note Mayweather seems to be growing into his frame and hitting with more power i think all the 140 pounders are big underdogs against him.

[Yogi]

^hahaha camacho next you gonna compare floyd to prince naseem! haah

Hey, you don't know what's going to happen to Floyd in the future. You may 'think' you do, but that's all guesswork, my friend, and it's no different that what the writers thought of Camacho's future. Not only was Camacho deemed to be the #2 ranked P4P fighter in 1985 (behind Hagler), but he was also thought to be the most likely heir apparent to take over the number one spot in the P4P rankings. That's all because in his first 30 (or so) fights, Camacho diplayed great skills and had a few dominating performances against good competition (I have his fights vs, Limon and Ramirez, and he thoroughly DOMINATES both of those guys with his speed, and is BARELY even touched in the process).

Mayweather has only had , what 33 or 34 fights so far? That's basically the same amount of fights that Camacho had when he was deemed for future greatness. And like I said, you don't really know what's in store for Floyd's future. Just like Camacho's out of the ring problems (mostly drugs) never enabled him to reach the heights that were expected of him, there's that chance Mayweather's out of the ring problems (his troubles with the law) also become his undoing.

At this point in their careers, my comparision of Camacho and Mayweather, is a lot more accurate than your comparision of Mayweather to one of the ten greatest fighters of all-time, in Willie Pep.

[IwatchBoxing]

Yogi, I found this about Camacho

Hector Luis Camacho, one of five siblings, was born to Maria and Hector T. Camacho on May 24, 1962. Originally, from Bayamon, Puerto Rico, the Camacho family moved to the east side of Manhattan in 1967. Spanish Harlem, one of New York’s more demanding neighborhoods, was the environmental catalyst for what was to become Hector’s calling. “When you grow up in the ******, you’ve got to be tough or fast, lucky for me, I was both,” Camacho recalls.

Hector attended Catholic school, “…but I’m no choirboy,” he is quick to remind. “I spent most of my time at The Boys Club; I wanted to be like Bruce Lee…” “He’s my idol, I imitated him because of his discipline, his focus, his chi..” Camacho also idolizes Muhammed Ali, Hector’s drive and determination earned him a second-degree Black Belt in American Go-Jo Karate.

His interest in boxing was sparked by another one of his role models, Muhammad Ali, for whom he has the utmost respect and admiration, and Ali helped set the stage for what was to become an illustrious career. A three-time Golden Gloves Champion, Hector Camacho, Sr. began his formal boxing training at a local school. His natural talent and dedication to the sport awarded him the World Championship at age 17, making him the second youngest World Champion in boxing history.

In 1978, Hector fathered the first of four sons; Hector "Macho" Camacho, Jr., his pride and joy. Following in his father’s footsteps, Hector Jr., a/k/a “Machito”, (Spanish for little macho), is also a professional boxer, who at 22 years old currently boasts a record of 33-0-1 (19-KO's). Perhaps coincidentally, almost the same record his father held when he was 22 years old. Upon his father’s retirement, he will be assuming the duties as his son’s trainer, and Hector Jr. is well on his way to becoming a boxing legend, just like his dad. Camacho Sr. lovingly refers to him as “the best copycat in the world!”

The dynamic and ostentatious Hector “Macho” Camacho went undefeated for more than 11 years. Throughout his career, he has defeated some very formidable opponents, including Rafael “Bazooka” Limón, Roberto Duran, Vinnie Pazienza, Ray “Boom-Boom” Mancini, and “Sugar” Ray Leonard (Camacho is the only boxer to ever knock Leonard out). By the end of 1996, he sported an impressive record of 64-3-1, (32 KO’s). Despite the three losses “The Macho Man” was never knocked down or knocked out!

In 1997 Macho returned to the ring and went the distance with Oscar de la Hoya. Despite the unfavorable decision, he rebounded in 1998 and successfully defended his IBC Super Welterweight title against Tony Menefee, a title that Camacho still holds today. He is also the current NBA Super Middleweight Champion, which he captured by defeating Roberto Duran for a second time on July 14, 2001.

Hector Camacho is 5’7”, and although he is naturally right-handed, he boxes as a southpaw. “The Macho Man” is an eight-time World Champion in six different weight classes; there are no other boxers in the world that can make that claim. Camacho currently has an outstanding record of 75-4-2, (36 KO’s).

Currently fighting out of Weehawken, NJ, Hector “Macho” Camacho creates excitement both in and out of the ring, and his flamboyant style and charismatic personality is unprecedented and legendary throughout the world. Boxing fans everywhere know exactly what time it is when Hector Camacho steps into the ring…

http://www.hectormachocamacho.com/bio.php

I'm basicly new to boxing, so I went looking for a bio. Nothing that says he was so hyped, but a good read anyway.