Is Mayweather the quickest AND most "accurate" boxer in history?

[TheEvilSaint]

no, muhammad ali's the fastest and most accurate boxer in history. no contest.

[oldgringo]

Strange things happen to a fighter's win/loss record when he has well over 100 fights, eh? And weren't you the one who mentioned that Floyd nearly lost to Castillo because of him not watching video of him before? Well, with the exception of the fights from the Gillette series (the old Friday night series from the 50's), it's not like there was much video available for those fighters back in them days (unlike today, where you can find a ton of stuff on your upcoming opponent).

Oh, and no, I don't "have to admit fighters are far more advanced" in today's game. ****, I've about done this argument to death over my many years, but the only thing I see as being more advanced, is the presentation of today's fights. Try turning off both the sound and the colour when comparing numerous fights between the fighters of the 40's/50's and today...That'll give you more accuracy when comparing the fighters/eras.

I find today's fighters throw more flashy combinations, and use the ring more (which could be attributed to them fighting less rounds than the older guys), but as a whole they've basically given up the art of body punching and have gone head hunting crazy (a product of today's amatuer system). Along with the absent of body punching, I also don't see the inside fighting abilty today that the fighters of yesteryear had. Nor do I see today's fighters being as versatile in their abilty to both box from the outside and fight on the inside (most modern fighters fight either one way or the other). Today's fighter have also seemed to abandoned the simple and lost art of parrying an opponent's punches, and it's very rare to see a modern fighter do that.

There's the odd exception to every rule for both the modern fighters and the ones from the older day, but those are just a few of the things I've noticed when watching fights from each of the eras.

Agreed. The only truely great inside fighter that I have seen lately is Kassim Ouma, and even he isn't really proven on a world level. He throws excellent short, hard uppercuts and hooks on the inside and moves nicely in and out. I think his uppercuts on the inside may be some of the best punches in the sport right now. They really take a lot out of his opponents.

[hectari]

Floyd said it best himself you may find fighters who can match me in handspeed or beat me in punching power but you cannot find a fighter smarter then me.

[oldgringo]

Floyd said it best himself you may find fighters who can match me in handspeed or beat me in punching power but you cannot find a fighter smarter then me.

Would you say that Floyd is smarter or craftier than Hopkins? I wouldn't.

[J !]

MAX BOXING P4P TOP 25

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Erik Morales
3. Winky Wright
4. Diego Corrales
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Jose Luis Castillo
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Antonio Tarver
10. Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez
12. Rafael Marquez
13. Glen Johnson
14. Zab Judah
15. Kostya Tszyu
16. Joel Casamayor
17. Shane Mosley
18. James Toney
19. Jean-Marc Mormeck
20. Martin Castillo
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. Jorge Arce
23. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
24. Antonio Margarito
25. Kassim Ouma


HECTARI, SO DOUG FISCHER RATES FLOYD THE BEST HE HAS EVER SEEN?

HOW COME HE IS A FIVE IN THE LIST THEN COS THIS LIST IS COMPILED BY YOU GUESSED IT DOUG FISCHER

I state again Floyds hasnt done anything yet to be metioned in the Same breath as the likes of Willie Pep, he may go onto but as yet he has not.

[hectari]

Would you say that Floyd is smarter or craftier than Hopkins? I wouldn't.

^In my opinion hopkins is crafty and smart in his own way, but floyd doesnt use those tactics he can fight you without clinching.

[hectari]

MAX BOXING P4P TOP 25

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Erik Morales
3. Winky Wright
4. Diego Corrales
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Jose Luis Castillo
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Antonio Tarver
10. Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez
12. Rafael Marquez
13. Glen Johnson
14. Zab Judah
15. Kostya Tszyu
16. Joel Casamayor
17. Shane Mosley
18. James Toney
19. Jean-Marc Mormeck
20. Martin Castillo
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. Jorge Arce
23. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
24. Antonio Margarito
25. Kassim Ouma


HECTARI, SO DOUG FISCHER RATES FLOYD THE BEST HE HAS EVER SEEN?

HOW COME HE IS A FIVE IN THE LIST THEN COS THIS LIST IS COMPILED BY YOU GUESSED IT DOUG FISCHER

I state again Floyds hasnt done anything yet to be metioned in the Same breath as the likes of Willie Pep, he may go onto but as yet he has not.

^he hasnt fight a pound 4 pound guy in a long time that is why dougie didnt put him high then that! but he still recognize the talent and he only going by p4p criteria.

[BadMagick]

well said.......for those who obviously have jumped on the band wagon all of a sudden, ask them to watch mayweather's fights against castillo.....

I thought he won the first one, and haven't seen the second. It was close, but he didn't fight his regular fight.

[J !]

^he hasnt fight a pound 4 pound guy in a long time that is why dougie didnt put him high then that! but he still recognize the talent and he only going by p4p criteria.

so to say he is better than someone like a Pep an all time great is jumping the gun then?

which is what i said and you called me names for?

[BadMagick]

I'd say he's not the quickest but he's definately one of the top 5 guys in the history of boxing.

Mayweather?! Top 5 in all of boxing history?! He's so unproven. To rate him that high is ******. He could become one, but right now he's not in the same ball park... hell, he's not in the same league... ****, I'd be surprised if he was playing the same game!