Ali at 38 years old ( vitali's age )

[knn]

How is Sosnowski better than Wepner? Most of Sosnowski's fights were against Euro bums, and he lost to Zuri Lawrence of all people.

For example because you have to delete 50% of Wepner's opponents because they were not heavyweight (200+).

And because Sosnowski has a 2x better KOratio than 35-14 bum Wepner.

That Ali couldn't KO Wepner within 12 shows how bad Ali was, and not how good Wepner was. As we all know Ali had even problems with featherfist Frazier (50% heavyweight KOratio). Even Sosnowski has a higher KOratio than Frazier.

[young&dangerous]

at the age of 38, didnt lennox smash vitali for a tko win?

[Suckmedry]

Ali fought far worse opponents than Sosnowski for his world title defenses, such as:

Chuck Wepner
Jean-Pierre Coopman
Richard Dunn
Juergen Blin
Brian London

All when he was younger than Vitali.

I wouldn't call those guys "far worse" than Sosnowski. I didn't even know who the **** Sosnowski was until this fight.


And their chronological ages don't matter. Fact is Ali was in some tough fights that took a horrendous toll on his body. Vitali has fought no where near the level of comp Ali fought, and he had a four year layoff which helped his body to heal.

[The Hammer]

well, Vitali is more well preserved than Ali due to taking less damage in his career(partially due to his easier competition)

That isn't fair.

Vitali was also kickboxing champion of the world and had far more serious injuries than Ali ever had. You become more damaged from kicks than from punches. His four year "retirement" was to have surgery and heal those injuries.

Ali had a three year "rest" without injuries at a much younger age and people like you used it as an excuse for his loss to Frazier.

[Steak]

For example because you have to delete 50% of Wepner's opponents because they were not heavyweight (200+).

And because Sosnowski has a 2x better KOratio than 35-14 bum Wepner.

That Ali couldn't KO Wepner within 12 shows how bad Ali was, and not how good Wepner was. As we all know Ali had even problems with featherfist Frazier (50% heavyweight KOratio). Even Sosnowski has a higher KOratio than Frazier.

...KO ratios can be extremely misleading.
especailyl when Sosnowski was shut out against a 0% KO percentage in Zuri Lawrence.

Wepner was better than youre giving him credit for, and a large portion of his losses were due to cut stoppages. Jose Luis Castillo also had about 3 or 4 cut stoppages, but that didnt stop him from being a really talented fighter in his prime.

[Forza]

That isn't fair.

Vitali was also kickboxing champion of the world and had far more serious injuries than Ali ever had. You become more damaged from kicks than from punches. His four year "retirement" was to have surgery and heal those injuries.

Ali had a three year "rest" without injuries at a much younger age and people like you used it as an excuse for his loss to Frazier.

Someone had to say it. Even though I think ali wouldve given a fight, he's WAY overrated. So is tyson the bum slayer.

[The Hammer]

I wouldn't call those guys "far worse" than Sosnowski. I didn't even know who the **** Sosnowski was until this fight.

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't make him a bum. Few had ever heard of Blin and Coopman before they fought Ali.

[Suckmedry]

For example because you have to delete 50% of Wepner's opponents because they were not heavyweight (200+).

And because Sosnowski has a 2x better KOratio than 35-14 bum Wepner.

That Ali couldn't KO Wepner within 12 shows how bad Ali was, and not how good Wepner was. As we all know Ali had even problems with featherfist Frazier (50% heavyweight KOratio). Even Sosnowski has a higher KOratio than Frazier.

All your arguments are based around cutting and pasting, erasing this and that, all to suit your pathetic and baffling agenda.

And you put way too much stock in KO ratios, which don't account for the level of comp.

[Suckmedry]

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't make him a bum. Few had ever heard of Blin and Coopman before they fought Ali.

Tunney, Sosnowski is not a good fighter, give it up.

[Steak]

That isn't fair.

Vitali was also kickboxing champion of the world and had far more serious injuries than Ali ever had. You become more damaged from kicks than from punches. His four year "retirement" was to have surgery and heal those injuries.

Ali had a three year "rest" without injuries at a much younger age and people like you used it as an excuse for his loss to Frazier.

I can partially agree with that, but imo Vitali has taken far less damage in his career than Ali. Vitali hurt his legs in kickboxiung, very true, but imo that mostly only hurt his footwork...which isnt a major staple of his style.

Ali took a lot of damage in general, which effects not only the legs but punch resistance, timing, etc.

Im not saying to overlook Vitali's durability, but really the only truely damaging fights hes had in his career were the Lewis and Sanders fights. unless m forgetting one or two guys, he really hasnt gotten hit too much other than that.