Merchant: Why Mayweather vs Margarito never happened

[Ray*]

I co-sign that!!....if Floyd REALLY felt a certain way about Arum he would've whooped Cotto's ass and took his "0"....that would've been Hatton and Cotto back to back and Floyd could've been known as the "0" taker for a hot minute ....but no, he slid out the side door and came back when ALL the threats were beatdown from fighting EACH OTHER.....Manny Pac fought the fights Floyd should've fought in the same order starting with DLH imo.

Who were all the threats? Arum fighters? Cotto and Margarito thats it, Am sure it would take you a while to get over the Mosley beatdown.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

You are an idiot for calling me a ****-rider! Werent you the guy riding Mosley hard on how he would beat Mayweather and now you calling me a **** rider because i said it takes two to make a fight?

Like i said i let facts speak for themselves, On why Cotto and Margarito didnt happen who knows but like i said it takes two people to tango in boxing. If not Mayweather-Pacquiao would have happen by now.

If money moves everything in the sport we would have seen Mayweather-Pacquiao by now, Again Mayweather and Arum were not on good terms so how is the fight suppose to happen?

Open your mind, I also think the best time for Mayweather-cotto(Especially the cotto fight) to happen was right after Hatton but if Mayweather choose to retire who are we to tell him not to?

Fact is Mayweather ask for guarantees when he was still with Arum before he would get in the ring and sign an extension to his contract with Top ranks with fight (Margarito-8M, Cotto,Hatton-10M and De la hoya-20M) Arum didnt want to guarantee that much and Mayweather brought his contract out and made much more money fighting all those fighters except for the ones signed to Arum.....If you dont see a link in there (ARUM) then you need your head checked.

Exactly these are simply facts, that cant be ignored.....

good post.

[Ray*]

What was Mayweathers reason for retiring for 1.5 years, I dont buy the falling out of love with the sport reason?

Who knows to duck Cotto and Margarito according to some, I would have add Mosley there but he already got his beatdown.

Maybe to rest his body like he said.

Maybe to enjoy his money and family?

[QADASHBANYAH1]

What was Mayweathers reason for retiring for 1.5 years, I dont buy the falling out of love with the sport reason?

Floyd is a gym rat, but fighting takes alot out of you. Just go back and look at the ATG'S They look like they have been through hell.

Letting your body rest in key to anything.

Imagine going through these sessions. I train, and I can tell you sparring with fresh opponents for 40 minutes straight is hard as hell!!! Thats longer than the fight, and having people come in fresh and punch etc is a daunting task, dont forget he runs and exercises in the middle of the night etc. He trains harder than anyone in the business, you will never see him out of shape, even when he was retired.

BOXING IS A HARD LIFE, DIDNT LEONARD RETIRE? WASNT MUHAMMAD ALI ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT RETIRING?

LEONARD CAME BACK AND FOUGHT HAGLER, AND WON THE TITLE AFTER RETIREMENT. FIGHTING TAKES A LOT. ESPECIALLY AT SUCH A HIGH LEVEL.

THATS WHY FLOYD SAYS HES THE GREATEST AND HEARNS AND LEONARD HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.... BECAUSE THEY ARE ATG'S AND KNOW the work he is putting in.

[Toney616]

Who knows to duck Cotto and Margarito according to some, I would have add Mosley there but he already got his beatdown.

Maybe to rest his body like he said.

Maybe to enjoy his money and family?

Maybe hand injuries?

[Rome-By-Ko]

You are an idiot for calling me a ****-rider! Werent you the guy riding Mosley hard on how he would beat Mayweather and now you calling me a **** rider because i said it takes two to make a fight?

Like i said i let facts speak for themselves, On why Cotto and Margarito didnt happen who knows but like i said it takes two people to tango in boxing. If not Mayweather-Pacquiao would have happen by now.

If money moves everything in the sport we would have seen Mayweather-Pacquiao by now, Again Mayweather and Arum were not on good terms so how is the fight suppose to happen?

Open your mind, I also think the best time for Mayweather-cotto(Especially the cotto fight) to happen was right after Hatton but if Mayweather choose to retire who are we to tell him not to?

Fact is Mayweather ask for guarantees when he was still with Arum before he would get in the ring and sign an extension to his contract with Top ranks with fight (Margarito-8M, Cotto,Hatton-10M and De la hoya-20M) Arum didnt want to guarantee that much and Mayweather brought his contract out and made much more money fighting all those fighters except for the ones signed to Arum.....If you dont see a link in there (ARUM) then you need your head checked.

I was rooting for Mosley that's my favorite fighter but if Mosley made a move I did not agree with(PEDS)I let him have it the same way.No bias here brother.Your not a **** rider for saying it takes two to make a fight your a **** rider for assuming I'm a Floyd hater just because I don't agree with something he did.Ok he wanted guarantees when he was with Top Rank but after the Hatton fight he was not with Top Rank and you said your self that's when that fight should have happen.It would have happen if he felt he something left to prove.We are not seeing the Manny fight because Manny did not want to give in to May's demand why are you saying Arum?If Pac say's yes the fight goes on no matter what Arum feels.As far as Mayweather retiring I'm nobody to tell a fight when to hang umm up.But if you look it has hurt his legacy and I know he does not care about as he say's(I don't buy it)but it hurt it none the less.What makes fighters great is fighting the fights that should be fought when they should be fought.He had his chance and turned his back on it don't blame Arum.

[Toney616]

Floyd is a gym rat, but fighting takes alot out of you. Just go back and look at the ATG'S They look like they have been through hell.

Letting your body rest in key to anything.

Imagine going through these sessions. I train, and I can tell you sparring with fresh opponents for 40 minutes straight is hard as hell!!! Thats longer than the fight, and having people come in fresh and punch etc is a daunting task, dont forget he runs and exercises in the middle of the night etc. He trains harder than anyone in the business, you will never see him out of shape, even when he was retired.

BOXING IS A HARD LIFE, DIDNT LEONARD RETIRE? WASNT MUHAMMAD ALI ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT RETIRING?

Alis style was made for a guy who was only going to be in the sport for 10 years or so, he had no business fighting as long as he did. But it was the Nation of Islam whio made him stay as long as he did. Leonard had a deteched retina, but he did come back to beat Hagler, a major upset at the time

THATS WHY FLOYD SAYS HES THE GREATEST AND HEARNS AND LEONARD HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.... BECAUSE THEY ARE ATG'S AND KNOW the work he is putting in.

I disagree with this, those guys beat ATGs, Floyd hasnt beaten the same level of comp as those guys

[Ray*]

I was rooting for Mosley that's my favorite fighter but if Mosley made a move I did not agree with(PEDS)I let him have it the same way.No bias here brother.Your not a **** rider for saying it takes two to make a fight your a **** rider for assuming I'm a Floyd hater just because I don't agree with something he did.Ok he wanted guarantees when he was with Top Rank but after the Hatton fight he was not with Top Rank and you said your self that's when that fight should have happen.It would have happen if he felt he something left to prove.We are not seeing the Manny fight because Manny did not want to give in to May's demand why are you saying Arum?If Pac say's yes the fight goes on no matter what Arum feels.As far as Mayweather retiring I'm nobody to tell a fight when to hang umm up.But if you look it has hurt his legacy and I know he does not care about as he say's(I don't buy it)but it hurt it none the less.What makes fighters great is fighting the fights that should be fought when they should be fought.He had his chance and turned his back on it don't blame Arum.

I said do not let hate cloud my judgement, Which means no matter what i would look at things with fact that is presented in front of me and i implore others to do the samething.

My main point is there is a reason why Mayweather has never fought any Top rank or Arum fighters since he left the company that is a FACT, Arum is the LINK...

Same Hatton never fought any Frank warren fighters when he left Warren, It was a difficult fight to make even though the timing was great, we dont know if Arum wanted the fight for Cotto or not but to put the blame on Mayweather is wrong, wrong and wrong.

And yes the retirement did hurt Mayweather's legacy IMO, Am a Mayweather fan but i look at thing straight, I hate it when people just jump on the bandwagon of him ducking so so and so without looking at the facts and angles, If Mayweather wanted to duck Cotto and Margarito after the Hatton fight all he has to do was ask for $50M dollars....Just think a little.

[Rome-By-Ko]

JUST as shane wouldnt be easy WORK... I watched your comments from behind the scenes. You act as if floyd gets tired or something, it would have been an easy night, cotto has endurance issues, so after he slowed down marg kept coming. Everything is cool, if you know you can land some punches. Margarito would get countered so badly it wouldnt be funny.... Shane is faster and hits harder than margarito. We see how that turned out. MARGARITO WOULD HAVE A PUNCHERS CHANCE THATS IT. His timing is nonexistant, and even the short punches he was nailing cotto with were slow as hell, compared to someone like shane or floyd, As roger told you guys, shane was going to walk through margarito, because margarito lacked the complete toolset to beat shane or floyd. Go back and watch floyds fights, and you will see what I mean. Hes too quick and too smooth for MARGARITO.


Remember how shane was dominated, and how you were saying that people are sleeping on shane. Shane as it was proven had a punchers chance.Round 2 proved this. THATS IT. I watched all of your comments behind the scene.And truth be told, you were simply just wrong. I am saying in my opinion you are wrong again.

I respect that I pick Shane to win he is my favorite fighter I will never pick against him I did not make a secret of that.And if you were behind the scenes readying my post did I ever take anything away from Mayweather?Did I not say he is a great fighter or say May has no chance he is going to get his ass kick?I don't think so I respect Floyd's skills a great deal but styles make fights bottom line.IMO(and yes my Opinion could be wrong)it would not have been easy work for May if he fought Marga's.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

What's going on big dog.Fact is May could have fought those fight's if he wanted them because of the demand that was on those fights.Funny thing is those were his legacy fights more then any other because the fighters were prime and monsters at that time.Saying he had nothing left to prove was ridiculous IMO.

FLOYD COULD HAVE FOUGHT THE GUYS YOU listed, but at the end of the day, when you look at the numbers coming in and you see an old fart that isnt even in the ring taking home more than you for doing nothing....... Yes some fans wanted margarito, but brian kenny tried to lambbast him for not fighting carlos baldomir. BUT AS WE SAW IT WAS EASY WORK. BRIAN KENNY IS ON ESPN, WHICH IS MAINSTREAM.... WHY DO YOU THINK AFTER ALL MARGARITO HAS A ACCOMPLISHED AT THAT TIME HE WASNT A HOUSEHOLD NAME, MAYBE IN CALIFORNIA AND MEXICO, BUT HE WAS NOT UTTERED OFF THE LIPS OF REALLY ANYONE ELSE. Go back and look at the people he was beating when he was # 1 at welterweight..... where are they now? I bet you can do a VH1 SPECIAL ON THEIR ASS, AND THEY WOULD BE BEST FRIENDS WITH GARY COLEMAN.

THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Thats the reason floyd is with golden boy promotions...

What you guys dont understand is for years people have been saying this guy will beat mayweather, and that guy, but when he dominates them, no matter who they are he gets flack, he cant please you rome, he cant really please anyone, he goes up in weight beats delahoya, at a weight he has never fought at and delahoya is comfortable at, and he gets ****. It will never be enough. He ducked shane, now as he stated with max kellerman "shanes not too old now" remember how he would never fight shane? he feared shane, well he walked through shane and the next day, people were saying blood work was the reason shane was weak, shane should retire etc. none of them noticed the pull counters snapping shanes damn head back, or that body shot shane was hit with, or those straight rights...
NO ONE NOTICED THAT SHANE WAS SIMPLY NERVOUS! HIS DAMN SHOULDERS WERE TENSE AS HELL! ALL they saw was domination, and shane simply struggling not to get dropped. I remember screaming at the tv, "SHANE STOP HOLDING SO YOU CAN GET YORU ASS KNOCKED OUT!"

so look at it from floyds point of view.....

what does he have to prove? what would you ahve to prove rome? if every fight there is an excuse that you dominate??

CAUSE YOU ARE JUST THAT DAMN GOOD......