Comments Thread For: Katsidis Demands The Marquez-Diaz Winner, Not Khan

[PittyPat]

Just because Mitchell was hyped doesn't mean he was any good. He was totally unproven at the contender level. I think oging into that fight he was ranked the #9 contender by The Ring. And that was based solely on beating Prescott.

So blame the rankings and fans for hyping up Mitchell, not Kats. He's done nothing wrong here, except beat the man they put in front of him - it's called doing your job; something which Marquez hasn't done in the 15 months he's been the undisputed LW champion.

Like I say, Mitchell was a prospect/fringe contender. Beating him was a solid win, but nothing that makes it a must that a proven elite like JMM fight him.

Even before they made Kats fight Mitchell, he was first in line to fight Marquez after the Chavez win. Then along came Mayweather to occupy him, and he lost. Meanwhile Kats beat Escobedo, to once again earn his shot against Marquez. Now along comes Diaz (who has effectively lost his last 3 fights) to occupy him. Meanwhile Kats beat Mitchell, to once again earn his shot against Marquez.

We can do this all day, but nothing you say can nullify the fact that Kats has done everything required of him to earn a fight against the WBO champion. Currently Marquez holds that title, so that's who Kats wants. If Diaz wins, then Kats will want him instead. It's simple logic. People are only butthurt about this because they don't think their precious Marquez should be fighting anyone other than Pacquiao - and that's fine if he wants to fight in another division. But he shouldn't be clinging onto belts he doesn't need.

[hitking]

If Kats murked the winner of Marquez/Diaz, would you make excuses then? I bet you would say something like winner of Marquez/Diaz was totally shot and thats why Kats took them out early. People like you make excuses after someone wins.

>>> The middle finger part

Na, no excuses here. And how good Katsidis' win over Mitchell was isn't even the point I'm debating. I just don't think Katsidis has done enough to be a "must" for the Marquez-Diaz II winner. If JMM wins, there's bigger fights that may be available to him. If nothing bigger presents itself, yeah go ahead to clip your #1 contender, which is Katsidis. If Diaz wins, I think a rubber match with JMM trumps a rematch with Katsidis every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[SoldierWarrior]

Pacquiao should give Marquez a rematch so he can murk him in the first round. If anyone thinks Pacquiao is the same version that Marquez fought back in early 2008, then you're only fooling yourself. Pacquiao's footwork wasn't that good back then compared to now, and he also didn't even have a right hand either. He didn't even use the right hook for the most part.

[PittyPat]

I just don't think Katsidis has done enough to be a "must" for the Marquez-Diaz II winner.

Oh pray tell, who at 135 should be eligible to fight the winner? Besides Funeka, there is nobody else. I doubt you'll get many people who even think Diaz deserves a shot to win all 4 LW belts, after the '09 he had. He's very, very lucky that GBP still think he's worth something.

If JMM wins, there's bigger fights that may be available to him.

Not at 135.

[hitking]

So blame the rankings and fans for hyping up Mitchell, not Kats. He's done nothing wrong here, except beat the man they put in front of him - it's called doing your job; something which Marquez hasn't done in the 15 months he's been the undisputed LW champion.



Even before they made Kats fight Mitchell, he was first in line to fight Marquez after the Chavez win. Then along came Mayweather to occupy him, and he lost. Meanwhile Kats beat Escobedo, to once again earn his shot against Marquez. Now along comes Diaz (who has effectively lost his last 3 fights) to occupy him. Meanwhile Kats beat Mitchell, to once again earn his shot against Marquez.

We can do this all day, but nothing you say can nullify the fact that Kats has done everything required of him to earn a fight against the WBO champion. Currently Marquez holds that title, so that's who Kats wants. If Diaz wins, then Kats will want him instead. It's simple logic. People are only butthurt about this because they don't think their precious Marquez should be fighting anyone other than Pacquiao - and that's fine if he wants to fight in another division. But he shouldn't be clinging onto belts he doesn't need.

You're talking meaningless paper trinkets and I'm talking lineal titles bubba. Marquez can vacate The Ring magazine and any other paper trinket he has, but none of that will change the fact that he's the lightweight champ. And until he's beaten, retires, or has clearly left the lightweight division behind, he's the man. And IMO, to earn a shot at the man, Katsidis needs to do more.

[hitking]

Oh pray tell, who at 135 should be eligible to fight the winner? Besides Funeka, there is nobody else. I doubt you'll get many people who even think Diaz deserves a shot to win all 4 LW belts, after the '09 he had. He's very, very lucky that GBP still think he's worth something.



Not at 135.

Obviously, Katsidis is the most deserving within the division. But, if the division sux, what good does it do? The bigger fights I'm talking about are outside the lightweight division. Katsidis like I said is a second string cat that's on top by default. After JMM beat, oops I mean lost the decision in the Pacquaio rematch, he beat the two guys that had beaten Katsidis to earn his current status in the division. And in my mind, that makes Katsidis a recycled fighter that isn't necessary to validate JMM's lightweight status.

[PittyPat]

You're talking meaningless paper trinkets and I'm talking lineal titles bubba. Marquez can vacate The Ring magazine and any other paper trinket he has, but none of that will change the fact that he's the lightweight champ. And until he's beaten, retires, or has clearly left the lightweight division behind, he's the man.

Pah, lineal titles. I'm talking about the WBO title which is the main crux of this whole mess. You seem to be awfully proud of a LW champ who hasn't even fought at the division for 15 months, and who struggled to stop the same Casamayor and Diaz who were involved in action-packed fights with Kats - one could just as well say they were softened up.

to earn a shot at the man, Katsidis needs to do more.

To earn a shot at the WBO "trinket", Kats has done everything required of him. So whilst it may be a worthless strap to some, Marquez obviously thinks highly enough of it to keep clinging onto it - even though his career is just fine without it. Doesn't mean other younger fighters wouldn't benefit from getting a shot at it, though.

[PittyPat]

Obviously, Katsidis is the most deserving within the division. But, if the division sux, what good does it do? The bigger fights I'm talking about are outside the lightweight division. Katsidis like I said is a second string cat that's on top by default. After JMM beat, oops I mean lost the decision in the Pacquaio rematch, he beat the two guys that had beaten Katsidis to earn his current status in the division. And in my mind, that makes Katsidis a recycled fighter that isn't necessary to validate JMM's lightweight status.

So if he doesn't need to fight anyone to validate his oh-so prestigious standing at 135 (a division in which he's only had 2 very difficult fights), he should pursue those big money fights elsewhere instead of holding up traffic like some victory parade.

It doesn't matter whether he goes off to 140 in a tearful farewell or fights his mandatory. The main issue is that he doesn't need the WBO title, but other fighters do in order to further their careers. What is there to even argue about?

[The_Demon]

Katz wants to clear up 135 and Khan wants to clear up 140 so their is no reason these two should fight

[hitking]

So if he doesn't need to fight anyone to validate his oh-so prestigious standing at 135 (a division in which he's only had 2 very difficult fights), he should pursue those big money fights elsewhere instead of holding up traffic like some victory parade.

It doesn't matter whether he goes off to 140 in a tearful farewell or fights his mandatory. The main issue is that he doesn't need the WBO title, but other fighters do in order to further their careers. What is there to even argue about?

Patty, I've never bout the excuses that a champion holding a title hosatage "holds up a division." Katsidis, or any other fighter for that matter, isn't prohibitted from fighting the top contenders in his division just because the champion isn't giving him a title shot. I'm not making excuses for a champion holding a title hostage. But I personally don't feel Marquez is holding the title hostage. He won it from Diaz, who was #1 by virtue of his victory over Katisdis. Then, he went up and got beaten up by Floyd Mayweather. Now, he's coming back and basically taking a tune-up fight after a bad loss. So all I'm saying is that wouldn't Katsidis futher the demand of seeing him in with JMM by beating a Khan, Funeka, Guerrero, or Soto? I think that would go a lot further to validate his claim than sitting around complaining that JMM is ducking him, and beating the caliber of opponents he's been beating.