I just don't see HOPKINS as an A.T.G.

[goldenglove2]

Bernard Hopkins... King of the head butt...King of the boring fights... king of the punch and clinch... This makes someone an A.T.G? Truthfully, hopkins hasnt done **** since he KOed Trinidad. This chump even screamed the silent black man rule (never let a whiteboy beat me) and LOST!!! WTF?!?!?!? Hopkins sucks to me... I'm sorry but he does. He throws 250 punches per fight and he's a serious clown. You should see him driving De La Hoyas old bentley around Delaware smh. Dude isn't that good. He loss to Jermain "Nap Nap" Taylor, should of lost to Winky, Calzaghe, and other lames... dude is ok to me. Not great. Some praise him for beating up Pavlik but come on now. Pavlik moved up in weight to fight him. Not to mention we all just learned that Pavlik is a MUMMY.- Boxing scenes own BADGUY

Hopkins was an ATG before he even fought taylor.

[D-MiZe]

Where's the **** who said Hopkins' MW era was as good as Hagler's and Monzon's.

[NChristo]

Where's the **** who said Hopkins' MW era was as good as Hagler's and Monzon's.

I'd like to see how Hopkin's has a greater legacy then Hagler and Monzon as well. Silly thing to say and he hasn't even tried backing it up.

[Bushbaby]

It seems clear to me that the ts isn't very educated when it comes to boxing!!

[K-DOGG]

Well, I presume this thread was set up for debate because, to me....or anyone else I've ever spoken to the question of Hopkin's "greatness" or "hall of fame worthiness" isn't up for debate.

Granted, his middleweight career was a little lackluster for the most part due to the slim competition at 160 while he reigned; but it could be argued he faced better competition than did Marvin Hagler. Either way, the fact is he beat more men defending his title than did Hagler, Monzon, or even Sugar Ray Robinson....who lost the belt on 5 occassions.

As far as his in-ring tactics are concerned, few boxing officianados would argue the greatness of Sandy Saddler, Willie Pepp, or Harry Greb......yet they make Hopkins look like a boyscout.

Boring....well, yeah; but effective. Jack Johnson, one of the greatest heavyweights of all time would put you to sleep if you watched him today....an probably lose his share of decisons due to the shorter lengths of bouts in the 21st century, yet his greatness is not up for debate.

So, like him or not, Hopkins has earned the crown to keep and the right to drink in Val Halla with the others who have proven themselves over the years.

Least, that's the way I see it.

[D-MiZe]

Hearns > Any MW on BHop's resume

[Bushbaby]

Well, I presume this thread was set up for debate because, to me....or anyone else I've ever spoken to the question of Hopkin's "greatness" or "hall of fame worthiness" isn't up for debate.

Granted, his middleweight career was a little lackluster for the most part due to the slim competition at 160 while he reigned; but it could be argued he faced better competition than did Marvin Hagler. Either way, the fact is he beat more men defending his title than did Hagler, Monzon, or even Sugar Ray Robinson....who lost the belt on 5 occassions.

As far as his in-ring tactics are concerned, few boxing officianados would argue the greatness of Sandy Saddler, Willie Pepp, or Harry Greb......yet they make Hopkins look like a boyscout.

Boring....well, yeah; but effective. Jack Johnson, one of the greatest heavyweights of all time would put you to sleep if you watched him today....an probably lose his share of decisons due to the shorter lengths of bouts in the 21st century, yet his greatness is not up for debate.

So, like him or not, Hopkins has earned the crown to keep and the right to drink in Val Halla with the others who have proven themselves over the years.

Least, that's the way I see it.

Candidate for post of the year!!

[Jim Jeffries]

Where's the **** who said Hopkins' MW era was as good as Hagler's and Monzon's.

If it was, he wouldn't have been a 6 to 1 underdog against a newly moved up Trinidad.

But yeah, Hopkins is an ATG, for what he's been able to accomplish well into his 40's at the very least.

[Fox McCloud]

Champions, I turned it into titlists. B-Hop still has 5 (Trinidad, Hoya, Tarver, Pavlik, and RJ, 7 if you count Taylor I and Calzaghe) champions on his resume which is unheard of in the modern age.

That makes sense... I use them interchangeably because a champion really doesn't exist in this day and age, like it used to.

[Iceta Lives]

I've got him at the bottom half of the top 100.