Serious Question: All Floyd Wants Is An Even Playing Field Right?

[pbftxrs316]

okay 2501, then if you want to spin it like that, then floyd shouldn't fight manny then---coz he came up from a smaller weightclass also, and he and jmm are about the same size, so it's never going to be even----

it would be a better argument on your behalf had floyd started at 147----but he didn't he came up from a smaller weight class just like jmm did---manny did---roy jones did---you get my drift i'm sure----so your argument holds little merit, because he was talking about using ped's----floyd came in 2 pounds overweight for the jmm and he really never said he was going to come in at 144---he always said this is a ww fight---and he paid 600,000 for it---so, you act as if he didn't pay for it-----

and you're arguement would be better has floyd only made manny take the drug tests----he didn't----he said they both would do it-----you really can't argue logically about this subject, because manny initially agreed to the drug tests-----just like floyd immediately agreed to the 147 weight demand and penalty that manny put in------did floyd put that in the contract, that if manny came in overweight against him, he would have to pay 10 million dollars for each pound? no----so, was that an even playing field? no----

at least floyd said they would both do it-----not just manny----and manny didn't have to agree to do it initially---then he all of a sudden changed his mind about cutoff dates?

from 3 days---to 5 days---to 30 days and right after the fight---to 24 days and right after the fight---and walked away from 14 days---then comes out and supposedly says 14 days is okay, because he's doing it for the fans and the sport---then comes out and says he never said that---then freddie roach says 17 or 18 days----that's a bunch of bull**** if you ask me-----

floyd is not wrong in this at all-----boxing is really never going to be on an even playing field when it comes to weights because fighters gain and lose weight constantly----but if floyd wants something for the both he and manny, how is he wrong in this? this fight is so big, different things will come up----

[Nuurzhaelan]

How does Floyd know Pac uses PEDs?

He doesn't.

The following is not my argument but the premise of an argument a sports writer made...and it seems valid.

Fighters, indeed all athletes can no longer enjoy being presumed innocent even in the face of an accusation. There have been too many lies, deceptions and revelations for that naivete to be observed any longer. Pacquiao may be innocent, but now that the accusation has been made it is up to him to prove he is right.

That was a big paraphrasing, I read that article months ago, but the writer put into words ideas that made so much sense that I felt the truth of them in my gut. None of us knows whether Pacquiao is doing illegal things or not, but given the landscape and the plethora of fighters and other athletes who have been caught the luxury of 'innocent until proven guilty' is too myopic to be valid and too damaging to the sport and potentially other boxers.

If Manny did take the OST and he was clean, I would be more than happy to apologize or whatever. Depending on who is making the argument for or against him I can be swayed a bit to one camp or the other. I get that he should not be forced to take tests that are not required by the athletic commissions. I also think that he cannot cry foul when he is accused given his fame and wealth. He's a boxer. If he cannot accept the changing climate of the sport then perhaps he needs to embrace his political career and leave boxing behind him.

[V.WEBB]

How does he know the playing field is uneven?

He doesn't.

Hes accusing Pac of using.


I don't have to go to your job and say, "Coach Webb is using drugs".

I can just say, "I think you should test that Coach Webb guy, he looks su****ious".

Its still an accusation.
Quit acting like we're 5 year olds and taking everything so literal.



The entire premise of this even playing field **** is an accusation and nothing more.

If you want to play the dummy, fine, you're good at it.

I'm not so gullible. I and many others know what this is first hand.

an excuse.

Ok, so if the su****ion/accusation was so wrong to make, then why did Manny and his team go into negotiations to make the fight with their "accusers" AND agree to the OSDT?

[Hannibal Barca]

By your logic, it wasn't an even playing field when Floyd fought Diego Corrales, Jose Louis Castillo 1 & 2, Carlos Baldomir, and Oscar De La Hoya, since they all came in around 10 lbs heavier than Floyd on fight night.

[Tamis!]

Had a similar thread like this, and all i got mostly are answers that are another question directed to another topic which is totally irrelevant.

@ 2501;

See what I mean? You get another question as your answer which you don't even seek in the 1st place.

LOL!

[EDOMITESLAYER]

How does he know the playing field is uneven?

He doesn't.

Hes accusing Pac of using.


I don't have to go to your job and say, "Coach Webb is using drugs".

I can just say, "I think you should test that Coach Webb guy, he looks su****ious".

Its still an accusation.
Quit acting like we're 5 year olds and taking everything so literal.



The entire premise of this even playing field **** is an accusation and nothing more.

If you want to play the dummy, fine, you're good at it.

I'm not so gullible. I and many others know what this is first hand.

an excuse.

THE MAN DOING **** THATS NOT NATURAL, SO IF FLOYD CALLS HIM ON IT, THEN SO BE IT.

EVERYONE KNOWS FLOYD LEAVES THE CLUB AND RUNS, RUNS AT 4:00 AM ETC. MANNY HAS INTENSE TRAINING, BUT WAS GETTING ROCKED AT SMALLER WEIGHT CLASSES, NOW HES ROCKING HEAVIER DUDES.

I would think something is wrong too!

SO MANNY SHOULD TAKE THE TEST TEH SAME WAY FLOYD AGREED TO 10,000,000 PER POUND.

[nujabes77]

even playing field = duck the congressman

[gqjohnb]

What was so even about fighting Juan Manuel Marquez?

Facts:

Marquez never had a fight above 135 LBS (list all the fight night weights you want, but the fact remains

Floyd refused to come into the weight they originally agreed on

Floyd originally wanted to fight Marquez @ 147 LBS

Floyd keeps talking about how boxing should be an even playing field, but his choices don't reflect that. Sure, you can say that it was Marquez's fault for signing the contract. But then, wouldn't it also be Cotto's fault for agreeing to fight Pacquiao? But thats besides the point, thats not what this thread is about.

How was Marquez/Mayweather fougth on an "even playing field"?

You actually do make a small point here it was a complete mismatch so in a way you could say mismatches are unfair but thats a pretty slippery slope.

[EDOMITESLAYER]

How does he know the playing field is uneven?

He doesn't.

Hes accusing Pac of using.


I don't have to go to your job and say, "Coach Webb is using drugs".

I can just say, "I think you should test that Coach Webb guy, he looks su****ious".

Its still an accusation.
Quit acting like we're 5 year olds and taking everything so literal.



The entire premise of this even playing field **** is an accusation and nothing more.

If you want to play the dummy, fine, you're good at it.

I'm not so gullible. I and many others know what this is first hand.

an excuse.

THE MAN DOING **** THATS NOT NATURAL, SO IF FLOYD CALLS HIM ON IT, THEN SO BE IT.

EVERYONE KNOWS FLOYD LEAVES THE CLUB AND RUNS, RUNS AT 4:00 AM ETC. MANNY HAS INTENSE TRAINING, BUT WAS GETTING ROCKED AT SMALLER WEIGHT CLASSES, NOW HES ROCKING HEAVIER DUDES.

I would think something is wrong too!

SO MANNY SHOULD TAKE THE TEST THE SAME WAY FLOYD AGREED TO 10,000,000 PER POUND.

[2501]

@ 2501;

See what I mean? You get another question as your answer which you don't even seek in the 1st place.

LOL!

no ****, Fact of the matter is, a fighter who won a title at JMW (154) took on a fighter who never once even fought above LW (135). Thats a fact. There is no spin to that whatsoever. Talk about uneven.