Where does Tyson rank on the all time Heavyweight List

[Bad Intentions]

And as for Holyfield butting him bull****, it was a left hook that cut Tyson and even if Holyfield had butted him that's no excuse to behave like an animal. So McBride pushed him down, quitting after a push is worse than quitting after a knockdown don't you think?

so the one left hook cut both of his eyes? thats amazing i didnt kno that was possible to cut 2 eyes on one punch, i gotta learn that one, But i do agree his problem was mental, if he had the mentalness of ALi Tyson could have been the greatest of all time. But he didnt so hes around the Top 10 somewhere.

[Truth]

so the one left hook cut both of his eyes? thats amazing i didnt kno that was possible to cut 2 eyes on one punch, i gotta learn that one, But i do agree his problem was mental, if he had the mentalness of ALi Tyson could have been the greatest of all time. But he didnt so hes around the Top 10 somewhere.

Tyson was so good in the 80's it was insane, he even had great reflexes back then.

[LuKahnLi]

Prime Ali, Foreman, Frazier would kill Tyson.

For Tyson Louis is the best physical matchup of them all. Unfortunately Louis is the most dangerous of history's heavyweights. Tyson would not be able to hold him off.

Tyson has a shot against Marciano. Maybe stopping him on cuts. Marciano was REALLY tough though. He wouldn't be scared of Tyson. He would hurt Tyson too.

Remember Prime Tyson was beaten by Buster Douglas. Despite his physical gifts it is always his mental limitations that are his downfall.

[iambluesman]

Tyson

I Just read Frank Lotierzo's artcle and must admit it seems rather skewed. For those who have followed Tyson's whole career one must remember the 17yr. old kid trained and adopted by Cus D'mato losing to Henry Tilman in the Olympic trials because he couldn't connect with one of his bombs. Tyson was much more disiplined, had better defense, took the fight game seriously, was a student of the art of boxing and was every bit as good as advertised. The Katon bros. did a nice job of bringing him along rather quickly and he was poised for greatness at an early age. Then disaster struck as his adopted father and trainer Cus died. Mentally distraught, he was easy prey for an opportunist like Don King. And so began the slow death of a once promising career. As a member of the King Circus and having to look out for himself, Tyson had to focus on matters outside the ring which became more and more of a distraction and took him farther and farther away from the fundimentals. The rest is as they say history.

In the beginning, there was substance behind the hype. In the end I agree with Frank. All there is left is hype

[GasPed]

Face facts everytime he had a real test and encountered effective resistance he quit... ...A fighter can quit and still give the impression of trying but actually allow himself to be knocked out. Tyson went this route with Holyfield, Lewis, Williams and McBride.

You're going way overboard here - he quit against Williams and McBride but not Holyfield or Lewis, not by a longshot. Holy I, he was in there getting roughed up and taking it til the bitter end. Holy II, he was trying so hard he ended up biting the guy (that's how desperately he wanted to beat him). Against Lewis he took countless huge shots before finally going down.

I don't see how you call any of that "quitting". In fact, Shane Mosley's efforts against Winky or Vernon (in his first bouts with them) looked a lot more like "quitting" to me.

[LuKahnLi]

You're going way overboard here - he quit against Williams and McBride but not Holyfield or Lewis, not by a longshot. Holy I, he was in there getting roughed up and taking it til the bitter end. Holy II, he was trying so hard he ended up biting the guy (that's how desperately he wanted to beat him). Against Lewis he took countless huge shots before finally going down.

I don't see how you call any of that "quitting". In fact, Shane Mosley's efforts against Winky or Vernon (in his first bouts with them) looked a lot more like "quitting" to me.

Bull****! You don't BITE someone to stay in the fight. You bite to get disqualified.

[GasPed]

Bull****! You don't BITE someone to stay in the fight. You bite to get disqualified.

Maybe you haven't been in a life or death fight before. I can tell you right now when someone's head-butting you, the last thing you're thinking is "How can I get myself disqualified?" No, you're thinking "How can make this mother-F%&^er pay?"

The former is quitting, the latter is desperately trying to win. Kapiche?

[LuKahnLi]

Maybe you haven't been in a life or death fight before. I can tell you right now when someone's head-butting you, the last thing you're thinking is "How can I get myself disqualified?" No, you're thinking "How can make this mother-F%&^er pay?"

The former is quitting, the latter is desperately trying to win. Kapiche?

You are oversimplifying. Tyson was thinking, "This man is not afraid of me. He will kick my ass just as bad as he did last time. Probably a bit worse. How can I get out of this and hurt him at the same time?" Tyson wanted out plain and simple.

[The King]

My first post, hello all
Would say Tyson is top 10 to top 15

[GasPed]

You are oversimplifying. Tyson was thinking, "This man is not afraid of me. He will kick my ass just as bad as he did last time. Probably a bit worse. How can I get out of this and hurt him at the same time?" Tyson wanted out plain and simple.

I don't think so. If he wanted out, he would've just complained to the ref and then walked off, as in quit. No, he's a fighter and he wanted to fight and hurt Evander, so he finally did the only thing that he thought could hurt him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning it. Nor am I saying Tyson was a great warrior or noble fighter or something. It's just that it's all too easy to paint him now with this big broad "Quitter" or "No Heart" label, and frankly it's not supported by the evidence. Was he immature? - Yes. Did he get frustrated too easily? - Yes. Was he feebleminded and incapable of adjusting to an opponent's tactics? - Yes. But until his last 2 fights he wasn't a quitter.