I think Cotto CAN beat Martinez

[ILLuminato]

No way Cotto beats Martinez...he's done as a fighter.

[Evil Abed]

I feel as though it's all wrong for cotto, personally. And I pray he doesn't beat Foreman for the sake of his health.

Angulo, Kirkland, Williams, Cintron (he still hits HARD, even tho he's a lil *****), henry coming up, Clottey most likely moving up, Margi has returned, Julio still can ****.

154 is honestly a punchers haven right now, nothing but ****ers.... and then martinez and foreman.. and martinez still holds 154 gold as well and would most likely want to unify with cotto/foreman winner for big money. So the fight will most likely happen if cotto wins.. but i think the style is all wrong for cotto.

Why?

Cotto loves chasing fighters.

Quintana, Jennings, Judah, Mosley (for the fist half of the fight)

Now Marg was none stop pressure and Manny was volume, pressure and freakish power.

Martinez is closer to the first group.

[-Antonio-]

Martinez is a rhythm fighter, but he has shown the ability to switch his rhythm up. It's the reason he started throwing 1,2,3 after 1,2,3 instead of just his 1,2. It was not just because Pavlik wasn't throwing back. He didn't throw too many combinations early because he had a respect for Pavlik's power, a respect that he wouldn't have for Cotto.

A common misconception being made now is people think that Martinez is easy hit. He isn't. He's not as slick as your usual slick fighters, but he rarely gets hit cleanly. Watch his fights again, you'll see it. Even in the Williams fight, he only get hit the way he hit Williams very occasionally.

Sergio stays way out of range and only comes in when he's ready to punch or lets them come in if he's looking to counter off what his opponent wants to do (which is usually a jab and Martinez knows this).

Cotto is 5'7, Pavlik and Williams are over 6'2; how many times do you think Cotto would be able to step into range to land a well timed jab without getting countered? Martinez also has good timing and the speed to back him up, whenever his timing fails.

I can not see many answers Cotto can come up with for Martinez. As soon as Martinez sees what type of power Cotto's working with, he'll be all over him.

Cotto should just move back to 147 and face Berto no matter what happens against Foreman. 154 is no country for small men. Good looking out on the green.

I can guarantee you even now Cotto could fight Martinez at 154 and have an easier time hitting him than Pavlik did. Cotto's so much quicker. Who says Williams hits harder than him too? Martinez is the stronger man physically, in a boxing ring it's not really the same though. I think he'll respect Cotto's power.

[intoccabile]

Why?

Cotto loves chasing fighters.

Quintana, Jennings, Judah, Mosley (for the fist half of the fight)

Now Marg was none stop pressure and Manny was volume, pressure and freakish power.

Martinez is closer to the first group.

It isn't about him loving to chase fighters, it's about the gears martinez, the angles he sets, and the fact that he has no problem standing his ground if need be (see williams).

He's not JUST a mover, he can pull stops if he has to. Not to mention some of cottos very best weapons martinez counters better than I've seen in recent memory.

Cottos jab for example, the same jab that got him killed against pacman because manny would lead hook over it. Well, martinez (the smaller man) was right jabbing OVER the bigger Pavliks jab on saturday. He counters jabs very well.

He also brings a left over right hands exceptionally well too. Although cotto loves chasing runners, he also loves to set himself each time before throwing. He walks you down, stops, squats, buts his hands up, throws. Then he usually admires his work by walking around the ring after the combination or doing a small bounce before resetting all over again.

One thing that Martinez does NOT have in common with movers like Paulie(no power), Judah (heart issues), Quintana (frail, but closest to martinez style), is that he doesn't actually have to be set to throw.

Cotto would chase these guys down and they BOTH would have to get set to throw, fair game. But like Pacman, martinez doesn't need to set himself.. he can just throw.. so cotto usually ends up getting hit while trying to get himself in position, because martinez also doesn't wait often.. he has no problem getting off first.

[-Antonio-]

It isn't about him loving to chase fighters, it's about the gears martinez, the angles he sets, and the fact that he has no problem standing his ground if need be (see williams).

He's not JUST a mover, he can pull stops if he has to. Not to mention some of cottos very best weapons martinez counters better than I've seen in recent memory.

Cottos jab for example, the same jab that got him killed against pacman because manny would lead hook over it. Well, martinez (the smaller man) was right jabbing OVER the bigger Pavliks jab on saturday. He counters jabs very well.

He also brings a left over right hands exceptionally well too. Although cotto loves chasing runners, he also loves to set himself each time before throwing. He walks you down, stops, squats, buts his hands up, throws. Then he usually admires his work by walking around the ring after the combination or doing a small bounce before resetting all over again.

One thing that Martinez does NOT have in common with movers like Paulie(no power), Judah (heart issues), Quintana (frail, but closest to martinez style), is that he doesn't actually have to be set to throw.

Cotto would chase these guys down and they BOTH would have to get set to throw, fair game. But like Pacman, martinez doesn't need to set himself.. he can just throw.. so cotto usually ends up getting hit while trying to get himself in position, because martinez also doesn't wait often.. he has no problem getting off first.

Good response. I see the fight more going this way than anything.

[Earl-Hickey]

No he can't, hes past it and he was never that good to begin with

[Heru]

I can guarantee you even now Cotto could fight Martinez at 154 and have an easier time hitting him than Pavlik did. Cotto's so much quicker. Who says Williams hits harder than him too? Martinez is the stronger man physically, in a boxing ring it's not really the same though. I think he'll respect Cotto's power.

Again Cotto's 5'7, Pavlik and Williams are over 6'2 with reach. Cotto's gonna have to be much quicker on his feet than he's shown in the past to be able to get in range consistently.

Cotto would try to come in jabbing, his jab would get caught, and would get countered. Martinez is very good at that. Cotto would be left with his left hook and a right hand he doesn't really use.

From what I've seen of Martinez, he would not respect Cotto's power at all. Except for Pavlik, he's not prone to respecting an opponent's punching power and would have Cotto on his back foot for the second half of the fight.

[Evil Abed]

It isn't about him loving to chase fighters, it's about the gears martinez, the angles he sets, and the fact that he has no problem standing his ground if need be (see williams).

He's not JUST a mover, he can pull stops if he has to. Not to mention some of cottos very best weapons martinez counters better than I've seen in recent memory.

Cottos jab for example, the same jab that got him killed against pacman because manny would lead hook over it. Well, martinez (the smaller man) was right jabbing OVER the bigger Pavliks jab on saturday. He counters jabs very well.

He also brings a left over right hands exceptionally well too. Although cotto loves chasing runners, he also loves to set himself each time before throwing. He walks you down, stops, squats, buts his hands up, throws. Then he usually admires his work by walking around the ring after the combination or doing a small bounce before resetting all over again.

One thing that Martinez does NOT have in common with movers like Paulie(no power), Judah (heart issues), Quintana (frail, but closest to martinez style), is that he doesn't actually have to be set to throw.

Cotto would chase these guys down and they BOTH would have to get set to throw, fair game. But like Pacman, martinez doesn't need to set himself.. he can just throw.. so cotto usually ends up getting hit while trying to get himself in position, because martinez also doesn't wait often.. he has no problem getting off first.

Excellent response.

Cotto will have to find a way to Sergio's body.

Something Pavlik didn't even seem to attempt.

It seems that Martinez can be timed.

Pavlik seemed to catch Sergio with alot of punches and was catching martinez more often as the fight went on.

I know Kelly is big but he's also fairly slow.

If Cotto can get his timing down and fix up some of his defensive issues as well as find a way to that body.

He might have a chance.

[patpatpts]

Just to clarify for ******s...CAN as in is capable of...not I think he WOULD beat him.

If Cotto beats Foreman impressively, at this stage in his career, why not try and grab the lineal Middleweight crown?

Before I get called a "stan"....although I'd be surprised if I was as most know me...I think Cotto gets absolutely mauled by pretty much all of the top guys at 154-160.....PWill, Pavlik, Angulo, Kirkland...those guys all brutally stop Cotto.

Martinez's style is one that gives Cotto a chance. He's bigger but he doesn't use his size...he's not a volume puncher or that big of a puncher.

Cotto has trouble with big pressure fighters and/or fighters who throw a lot.

Now before people make the Pacquiao comparison....Martinez is not as fast(his hand speed is SEVERELY overrated) and he doesn't throw 5 and 6 punch combinations like Pacquiao.

Martinez is also nowhere near as slick as people make him out to be. Freaking Kelly Pavlik landed 45% of his power punches on him. Cotto is more accurate than Pavlik and Williams.

I'm not saying Cotto would beat Martinez. If I had to pick, even if Cotto carries 154 well, I'd still probably pick Martinez.

But it's a winnable fight, and if Cotto won it'd be an ideal way to go out for him.

cotto would kick his ass the rest of division is hell for him including martinaz. i don't know who foreman really he's alright from what i seen

[RA-Box]

Martinez is not that easy to hit unless you're taller than him. Look at any of his fights at 154 before williams. After landing his combos he would cover up well, or jump out of range.

Sergio just fought two 6 feet+ fighters, both known for their range and long jabs.

Cotto is too small.

If this was at 147 back in the day, then Cotto would have a chance. No way now (and I do like Cotto).