I think Cotto CAN beat Martinez

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  • Heru
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    #41
    Originally posted by savorduhflavor
    First actual analysis I've seen....green K to you.

    My counter however....Martinez is a rhythm fighter. That rhythm, as I felt Pavlik showed, could actually be disrupted by a timed jab. If there's one thing Cotto's got, it's timing.

    Martinez is there to be hit, and Cotto is more accurate than Pavlik or Williams...and you can close the distance on him. Cotto places his punches well, and Martinez doesn't put together a lot of combinations unless he's facing a guy not throwing back(Pavlik after the cut).

    Cotto has problems with combination punchers. If Martinez circles and jumps in with the one two and occasional right hook, I think Cotto can weather that...although all of this is contingent on him carrying the weight well and him not being totally shot.

    I think Cotto's stamina, or lack thereof, would be his ultimate downfall but like I said...in my opinion, the ONE guy that Cotto would have a chance against won the lineal MW championship....why not give it a go?
    Martinez is a rhythm fighter, but he has shown the ability to switch his rhythm up. It's the reason he started throwing 1,2,3 after 1,2,3 instead of just his 1,2. It was not just because Pavlik wasn't throwing back. He didn't throw too many combinations early because he had a respect for Pavlik's power, a respect that he wouldn't have for Cotto.

    A common misconception being made now is people think that Martinez is easy hit. He isn't. He's not as slick as your usual slick fighters, but he rarely gets hit cleanly. Watch his fights again, you'll see it. Even in the Williams fight, he only get hit the way he hit Williams very occasionally.

    Sergio stays way out of range and only comes in when he's ready to punch or lets them come in if he's looking to counter off what his opponent wants to do (which is usually a jab and Martinez knows this).

    Cotto is 5'7, Pavlik and Williams are over 6'2; how many times do you think Cotto would be able to step into range to land a well timed jab without getting countered? Martinez also has good timing and the speed to back him up, whenever his timing fails.

    I can not see many answers Cotto can come up with for Martinez. As soon as Martinez sees what type of power Cotto's working with, he'll be all over him.

    Cotto should just move back to 147 and face Berto no matter what happens against Foreman. 154 is no country for small men. Good looking out on the green.

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    • ny123
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      #42
      i am a cotto fan but i dont see how cotto beats martinez at this stage of his career sergio has showed enough pop and a good enough chin to give cotto serious problems not to mention his speed and angles. i could just see martinez taking cottos punches and waving him on in for more and cotto being demoralized and probably being stopped. now if you match these guys up in 2007 at 150 i would say this is a pick em fight with me leaning slightly in favor of martinez by split dec

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      • Spray_resistant
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        #43
        TS, I can see how you would come to that conclusion of Cotto having the ability because he has only shown problems with guys who throw in volume and with power but it just wouldn't happen against Sergio.

        Sergio would be able to land that right jab at will and though isn't a 1 shot ko kind of guy has more power than ppl give him credit for, his low Ko% is more a product of his low output counter punching style.

        Martinez has also shown the ability to handle pressure and take a solid punch in addition to him not being easy to mentally discourage, things went bad in the middle rounds with Pavlik and he found a way to turn it around and things got bad in mid rounds with Paul and he made and adjustment to swing the fight into his favor after.

        This is a guy who overcomes and I just don't see Cotto landing cleanly often enough, or even having the power to stop him which he would need to in order to win.

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        • Bushidō
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          #44
          I don't think so. He would get busted up.

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          • Evil Abed
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            #45
            Kermit Cintron gave Martinez issues in spots.

            I feel Cotto is much better than Kermit.

            This fight comes down to styles.

            Hes right.If Cotto is chasing Martinez the whole fight then he'll be very comfortable.

            When hes under constant presure he has major issues.

            Hopefully Manny can fix some of Cotto's defensive issues.

            I know it was a younger Martinez but Cotto did fare better than Martinez did against Margocheato.

            I would give Cotto a chance at beating Martinez.

            I would favor Martinez though.

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              #46
              Originally posted by ALPHAΩMEGA
              wha! gtfo! lmao! this nuthugger!

              that's usually how it goes, round here........
              my exact thoughts. Thread starter needs to slap his silly self.

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              • Ch@mpBox@PR
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                #47
                Originally posted by thephantom5
                Kermit Cintron gave Martinez issues in spots.

                I feel Cotto is much better than Kermit.

                This fight comes down to styles.

                Hes right.If Cotto is chasing Martinez the whole fight then he'll be very comfortable.

                When hes under constant presure he has major issues.

                Hopefully Manny can fix some of Cotto's defensive issues.

                I know it was a younger Martinez but Cotto did fare better than Martinez did against Margocheato.

                I would give Cotto a chance at beating Martinez.

                I would favor Martinez though.
                Good man, finally somebody sees whats up!!!!!!

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                  #48
                  I used to think this. After his last two fights I have a different feeling about the fight. Martinez is clever in the ring on top of being fast. I still think Cotto can do some damage since Martinez does jump in. Let's see how Cotto deals with Foreman's length first. But right now, I see Martinez doing something similar to what Pac did.

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                  • intoccabile
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by carlos slim
                    lol wow you see what pac and marg did to cotto...and what martinez did to pavlik....sergio will chop cottos ass up again itll be a bloodbath....
                    I feel as though it's all wrong for cotto, personally. And I pray he doesn't beat Foreman for the sake of his health.

                    Angulo, Kirkland, Williams, Cintron (he still hits HARD, even tho he's a lil *****), henry coming up, Clottey most likely moving up, Margi has returned, Julio still can ****.

                    154 is honestly a punchers haven right now, nothing but ****ers.... and then martinez and foreman.. and martinez still holds 154 gold as well and would most likely want to unify with cotto/foreman winner for big money. So the fight will most likely happen if cotto wins.. but i think the style is all wrong for cotto.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by thephantom5
                      Kermit Cintron gave Martinez issues in spots.

                      I feel Cotto is much better than Kermit.

                      This fight comes down to styles.

                      Hes right.If Cotto is chasing Martinez the whole fight then he'll be very comfortable.

                      When hes under constant presure he has major issues.

                      Hopefully Manny can fix some of Cotto's defensive issues.

                      I know it was a younger Martinez but Cotto did fare better than Martinez did against Margocheato.

                      I would give Cotto a chance at beating Martinez.

                      I would favor Martinez though.
                      Keep in mind, kermit is a very dangerous hitter and a very RANGY guy. Cotto may be better (technically) but he does not have that frame that cintron has. But even then, i feel martinez had a field day with kermit.

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