pacman's increase in power (no flamers in here please)...

[hammerhiem]

that was the whole basis of the srticle i was reading lol. i'll try and remember where the artcile was and post it. the general point of it was that the reason for all this controvery was pacman moving through the weights and ko'ing more people as he moved up. if it's not true then fair enough i guess lol

Joshua Clottey 147 W UD 12 12
Miguel Angel Cotto 145 W TKO 12 12
Ricky Hatton 140 W KO 2 12
Oscar De La Hoya 145 39-5-0 RTD 8
David Diaz 135 34-1-1 W TKO 9 12

[MurderDeathKill]

then by that logic, surely every quick fighter who moves up in weight will be successful, which certainly isnt the case...

That's right. Pac is a unique fighter. He's gotten better technically. He's no longer cutting weight. He's more comfortable and maybe a bit faster now, but his power isn't any better. His pre Clottey KO streak has got people overrating his power like crazy. Hatton is the only guy who got laid out. Diaz, Cotto, Oscar, all went down via accumulation. Again, Pac's power ain't increased. He's just fighting guys who are slower and can't anticipate his shots.

[deezdominates]

i am not accusing pacman of anything here, i swear! but i was reading something in a newspaper the other day and one part of the whole argument that pacman uses steroids seems to be this issue of him moving up in weight and his ko rate rising rather than falling. to me, this done sound somewhat strange. my question is this; how many fighters have gone up in weight and actually raised their ko rate like pacman has? can anyone name them? im 24 years old, and before the rise of really fast internet i was primarily a fan of british boxing, my point being that my knowledge of american boxing is not as entensive as my knowledge of british boxing. i cant think of any british boxers of note who have gone through the divisions and actually gained power. maybe there are some american based fighters that have?

once again, can i please point out that im not saying pacman is taking steroids. its just that all this talk about his increase in power as he has gone through the divisions made me wonder if other fighters have done the same in the past... please do not call me a *****

Every1 forgets that prior to pacs rise, it was his power that we talked about. Not his speed.

But we're talking yrs ago

[Sweet Jesus]

It's su****ious to say the least.

[And Still]

He's a natural 140 pounder shedding weight and knocking people out at 130 lbs class. So by moving up, he wasn't really losing anything.

Sooooo, Pacquiao built his career fighting smaller men?

[And Still]

Obviously u never saw that fight, He had larios badly hurt, not to mention down twice twice in teh fight. The same number of times he had Cotto down in that fight as it happens.

Larios wasn't close to being stopped. Cotto had to run away the last few rounds to avoid being stopped. If Migs didn't run, TKO8. At best.

Go watch the fights and compare.

[ajohnz]

pac's power isn't the issue. it's pac's speed and southpaw angles. he's fighting at welterweight but with the speed of a featherweight. welterweights aren't used to that kind of speed coming from those kinds of angles.

only pac's fight against hatton didn't pac actually KO someone. all his other fights above 135 have been ref stoppages or tKOs.

is a ref stoppage not a TKO? I mean a mid round ref stoppage. not stopping because of a cut in between rounds.

[Pacquiao'd]

Sooooo, Pacquiao built his career fighting smaller men?

ill answer that...YES.

[Hannibal Barca]

I think we know why.

[wizard king]

pac is on roids plain and simple is he going to get caught i dont think so but someone in his camp will and everthing will make sense afther that. funny how in an interview they had asked morales did you know their were rumors of pac testing postive for peds and morales just quickly avoided the question. this was in their 2nd fight, i do belive pac has been cheating for a very long time. pac has made himself look like a cheater.